Great News For The Aftermarket IS350!!
10-03-06, 04:08 PM
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Yeah, I know. I also know my good friend at Toyota told me not to hold my breath on a new Supra...but a V-10 might be showing up "someday."
I'm still pretty convinced 2007 will be a banner year for sports cars unless the economy takes a total dump.
I'm still pretty convinced 2007 will be a banner year for sports cars unless the economy takes a total dump.
10-03-06, 07:17 PM
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Alright man, I know you're probably so hyped about a Supra and all. Regardless if there is one, there will be more parts for the IS350 because it's already a very popular car.
Now, with the Supra. You're just beating a dead horse with this one. It's been talked about over and over again. It's just not going to happen. Why? Because why would Toyota make a car like the Supra when only a very, and I mean VERY, small segment of the market will buy it? I'm not sure if you realize, but to R&D a supercar, costs a lot of money. Also with standards set by today's supercars, it's probably even harder. Now more economics. Why in the world will Toyota, doing so amazingly well with its economical line-up, produce a car like a Supra, under the Toyota name?
I'm not sure if you realize, but Toyota is making more fast sedans than they are anything, and Lexus is probably where Toyota is going to focus their R&D on powerful engines. Hell, they even took out the Celica recently and I think even their 2ZZ-GE was taken out of the line-up.
Sadly, as much as I would love to see the Supra again, it just doesn't make sense for them to happen.
And that article... and those photochops, I have seen them for years now...
Now, with the Supra. You're just beating a dead horse with this one. It's been talked about over and over again. It's just not going to happen. Why? Because why would Toyota make a car like the Supra when only a very, and I mean VERY, small segment of the market will buy it? I'm not sure if you realize, but to R&D a supercar, costs a lot of money. Also with standards set by today's supercars, it's probably even harder. Now more economics. Why in the world will Toyota, doing so amazingly well with its economical line-up, produce a car like a Supra, under the Toyota name?
I'm not sure if you realize, but Toyota is making more fast sedans than they are anything, and Lexus is probably where Toyota is going to focus their R&D on powerful engines. Hell, they even took out the Celica recently and I think even their 2ZZ-GE was taken out of the line-up.
Sadly, as much as I would love to see the Supra again, it just doesn't make sense for them to happen.
And that article... and those photochops, I have seen them for years now...
While I'll believe it when I see it, it isn't that crazy for Toyota to make a sports car, especially if (and that's a big IF) the car will be priced a bit under 30 grand. That widens the segment of buyers who would be interested in it. Also, Toyota can badge it as a Scion, and it would actually probably fit very well under that name (maybe call it the sP or whatever two letter combo Toyota can come up with). Toyota has a wide range of engines and chassis to play around with to come up with a Supra (okay...maybe not a WIDE range, but they have options). And seeing how Toyota is expanding/buildling more plants, some of their older/smaller plants could be converted in building the Supra.
But like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.
10-03-06, 07:36 PM
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10-03-06, 11:02 PM
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A redesigned Celica (or some replacement to it) should be what is in the 30k range, and the Supra be left to battle the larger cars.
10-04-06, 12:36 AM
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even they share the same body or platform the parts are still going to be different!! There is a Japanense domestic model call MarkX(Toyota) and it share the same platform, bady design and engine buy parts like Shocks, Strut bar and exhaust still different to the IS... So don't dream about that...
10-04-06, 12:41 AM
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10-04-06, 12:50 AM
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Are we talking about the 1500cc tC? No way that is replacement for the Celica... Just that Celica didn't sell good in US there are still new model comes out in UK!
10-04-06, 10:16 AM
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No, the Scion tC is a 2.4 liter with 161 hp and bags of torque based on the Avensis platform. The Celica was overpriced in the US. I bought the tC because it offered everything the Celica did and is a much more practical vehicle for everyday use. If you put the two cars side by side, only a few buyers would cough up the extra $5k (minimum) for the Celica's looks and 20 hp in the GTS. I didn't, and I wouldn't, and I'm a pretty hard core car guy.
10-04-06, 10:25 AM
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Yeah, there's no way a lowly Scion is a substitute for a Celica. On the Toyota food chain, Scion is at the bottom, then Toyota, then Lexus. Just the way they intended. Toyota is definitely looking to fill their void with a true sports car.
10-04-06, 11:03 AM
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No, the Scion tC is a 2.4 liter with 161 hp and bags of torque based on the Avensis platform. The Celica was overpriced in the US. I bought the tC because it offered everything the Celica did and is a much more practical vehicle for everyday use. If you put the two cars side by side, only a few buyers would cough up the extra $5k (minimum) for the Celica's looks and 20 hp in the GTS. I didn't, and I wouldn't, and I'm a pretty hard core car guy.
10-04-06, 04:59 PM
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Neither is a sports car. They're both FWD. They're sporty cars at best.
I would not call the Celica "awesome" handling either. I spent money on Tein SS-Ps, Hotchkis sways, and 5Zigen 17 x 8.5s with 245/40/17s. It still cost a LOT less than the Celica, and it handled just fine for a FWD even compared to a Celica. You would need a watch and timed course to tell the difference in performance.
Also notice the NHTSA crash tests for the Celica say the back seat is too small to test. The back seat in the tC is identical to the 2IS with the exception of leg room. It actually has 3" MORE leg room than the 2IS. From a practicality perspective, the tC has the Celica beat to a pulp.
I would not call the Celica "awesome" handling either. I spent money on Tein SS-Ps, Hotchkis sways, and 5Zigen 17 x 8.5s with 245/40/17s. It still cost a LOT less than the Celica, and it handled just fine for a FWD even compared to a Celica. You would need a watch and timed course to tell the difference in performance.
Also notice the NHTSA crash tests for the Celica say the back seat is too small to test. The back seat in the tC is identical to the 2IS with the exception of leg room. It actually has 3" MORE leg room than the 2IS. From a practicality perspective, the tC has the Celica beat to a pulp.
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03-04-07, 04:44 PM
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Here is some more info.
At the recent Detroit Auto Show, Toyota shocked the world with what may be the actual Supra replacement. Currently dubbed the FT-HS concept, this super-Toyota is actually a hybrid! It is powered by both an electric motor and a 3.5 liter V6 motor, good for over 400 horsepower. You know this is car is coming close to supercar territory when it promises to propel you to 60 mph in around 4 seconds. Here is the link with photos. http://natewhitehill.com/2007/02/27/...rtcara-hybrid/
At the recent Detroit Auto Show, Toyota shocked the world with what may be the actual Supra replacement. Currently dubbed the FT-HS concept, this super-Toyota is actually a hybrid! It is powered by both an electric motor and a 3.5 liter V6 motor, good for over 400 horsepower. You know this is car is coming close to supercar territory when it promises to propel you to 60 mph in around 4 seconds. Here is the link with photos. http://natewhitehill.com/2007/02/27/...rtcara-hybrid/