F For Fast!
12-04-06 | 01:25 PM
#31
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umm... that's like straight line... i don't consider a good car just speed.. it's balance between handling, gearing, brakes, and speed... etc
it's kinda a no brainer going straight... let's hope that people in auto can conistently go straight... when you enter a corner really hard.. you want your brakes and suspension... you won't need speed or power until you exit the corner...
it's kinda a no brainer going straight... let's hope that people in auto can conistently go straight... when you enter a corner really hard.. you want your brakes and suspension... you won't need speed or power until you exit the corner...
12-04-06 | 02:47 PM
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Well from a marketing stand point..you don't want a brand to rub the consumer the wrong way. Brand names and logo's are created to evoke feelings and images, also it aids in brand recognition... this has everything to do with what the product stands for. So what does the F make you feel?..what type of images come to mind? There really isn't much we can say about it yet, because we havent experienced a product with the F moniker. But we have touched, smelled, driven a product with the AMG, S, and M labels on them...we can associate them with certain feelings and images. My point is that branding, positioning of brand, logos etc have a huge impact on how one feels about a product, how one makes purchasing decisions. Simply the F on paper rubs me the wrong way, and it seems to be bothering others as well. But like I said, everything we're seeing is simply on paper...put it on an actual product and things will change for certain
The Lexus division itself is a case study - Toyota hit a homerun in terms of marketing & brand distinction with the stand alone Lexus division. Forget M Power or AMG, Lexus is the model. So how hard can it be for Toyota to carve out a performance division for it's Lexus division - seems like a slam dunk when you consider Toyota is about to surpass GM as the world's #1 automaker - I think Toyota knows exactly what it's doing . . .
12-04-06 | 03:22 PM
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Well from a marketing stand point..you don't want a brand to rub the consumer the wrong way. Brand names and logo's are created to evoke feelings and images, also it aids in brand recognition... this has everything to do with what the product stands for. So what does the F make you feel?..what type of images come to mind? There really isn't much we can say about it yet, because we havent experienced a product with the F moniker. But we have touched, smelled, driven a product with the AMG, S, and M labels on them...we can associate them with certain feelings and images. My point is that branding, positioning of brand, logos etc have a huge impact on how one feels about a product, how one makes purchasing decisions. Simply the F on paper rubs me the wrong way, and it seems to be bothering others as well. But like I said, everything we're seeing is simply on paper...put it on an actual product and things will change for certain
Seriously though, the logo on paper doesn't look as elegant as a Lexus should, but on a car I think it could be pulled off. I agree with F standing for formula 1.
12-04-06 | 04:49 PM
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This is good news, however that 50k price tag is for a stripped down version I'm sure. Fully loaded it would probably be around 70k as some of the other reports suggested. As far as the manual vs auto debate, that's getting a bit old. auto tranny's today are far more efficient than they were a few years back with only slightly more parasitic loss than a manual, which is more than made up for by its much quicker shifts. If your gripe is that an auto can never mimic the "feel" of a manual, then you have a point. If your gripe has to do with performance, it's a non issue since the auto will perform equally well. AMG anyone?
Oh, and as far as the DSG being in the IS-F, I'd really like to see some evidence backing that claim up instead of "I heard" everything i've read suggests it will be a variation of the 8 speed auto found in the LS600h
Oh, and as far as the DSG being in the IS-F, I'd really like to see some evidence backing that claim up instead of "I heard" everything i've read suggests it will be a variation of the 8 speed auto found in the LS600h
12-04-06 | 05:00 PM
#42
AFA the gearbox, that's the only thing that makes any sense. Toyoto do not make a manual gearbox capable of surviving 400+ ft-lbs of torque. They already built the 8 speed for the LS460, and no doubt were thinking ahead with the design since they've had a mule for the IS-F for some time now.
The real question is, IS-F or wait for LF-A (probably will be called something different now)?
The real question is, IS-F or wait for LF-A (probably will be called something different now)?
12-04-06 | 05:07 PM
#43
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AFA the gearbox, that's the only thing that makes any sense. Toyoto do not make a manual gearbox capable of surviving 400+ ft-lbs of torque. They already built the 8 speed for the LS460, and no doubt were thinking ahead with the design since they've had a mule for the IS-F for some time now.
The real question is, IS-F or wait for LF-A (probably will be called something different now)?
The real question is, IS-F or wait for LF-A (probably will be called something different now)?
but in all reality, i have no information about the LF-A whatsoever, so when we get more info on that, a choice can be made.
12-04-06 | 05:28 PM
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12-04-06 | 05:32 PM
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LF-A = SC-F?? Can you imagine someone with no knowledge of lexus vehicles reading these forums and trying to decipher the lingo? It'll just look like a bunch of people spitting out random characters of the alphabet.