The Mother of all 335i vs IS350 threads (please read 1st post in thread!)
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or this:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...63&postcount=1
"It took them two weeks to repair it and I was told that I have to bring back in because they didn’t have several hoses and they are on order. Forgot to mention, I also had front passenger seat replaced at this time for the same problem as I had with driver seat. Not to mention that dealer also had to replace front brakes and rotors, because the steering wheel vibrated. Today I was driving from work and in the middle of the freeway a very severe knocking sound came from engine. Had it towed to the dealer again."
Simply search the IS forum for "lemon" and you'll find several different scenarios where the IS has failed. Some minor, some major. it happens to all cars, so there is no reason to paint the whole series with the same brush.
Its easy to point out incidents like this when it happens, but that's far from the norm. Everyone will be quick to point out Lexus reliability and they are right, but lets not forget that BMW reliability is well above average as well.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...63&postcount=1
"It took them two weeks to repair it and I was told that I have to bring back in because they didn’t have several hoses and they are on order. Forgot to mention, I also had front passenger seat replaced at this time for the same problem as I had with driver seat. Not to mention that dealer also had to replace front brakes and rotors, because the steering wheel vibrated. Today I was driving from work and in the middle of the freeway a very severe knocking sound came from engine. Had it towed to the dealer again."
Simply search the IS forum for "lemon" and you'll find several different scenarios where the IS has failed. Some minor, some major. it happens to all cars, so there is no reason to paint the whole series with the same brush.
Its easy to point out incidents like this when it happens, but that's far from the norm. Everyone will be quick to point out Lexus reliability and they are right, but lets not forget that BMW reliability is well above average as well.
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Thought you guys might find it interesting. C&D tested the 335 TT automatic and got a 0-60 in 4.9 secs and quartermile in 13.6@105 mph. Auto to auto, straight line acceleration seems close with IS350.
I guess it would be crazy fast with the 6 speed manual version even more so than the E46 M3.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...ecs-page2.html
I guess it would be crazy fast with the 6 speed manual version even more so than the E46 M3.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...ecs-page2.html
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How did you determine they tested an automatic? I can't tell what they tested. The weight gives a range, not a number. The gearboxes give all options, not option as tested. They're not very specific about their test machine, only the one they drove in Europe. It would be nice if it were more clear.
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Keep reading. The car they tested showed up at their offices in the US. It doesn't mean it's exactly the same car. That was my point.
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To be honest, in SCCA the 3 series is a mere D stock class competitor...for all the handling that people claim the 3 series does, its really not some beast in the department, and lacked everything in the power department before this turbo version. The new IS is foremost a luxury car, different than the 1st gen. in most every way, and its meant to behave on the street first, while doing anything else secondary, including performance, hence why the 250 has greater sales expectations. I wouldn't even call the 3 series a true luxury vehicle by comparison, as its always walked a line that held more of a bias towards performance, very distinct from that which Lexus has and always will offer. If one complains about handling, feel, and performance driving dynamic, then buy the car designed around those principles...but don't expect it from Lexus, in a fashion similar to why you wouldn't expect a Rolls Royce to suddenly start carving corners with the feel of a Lotus. Lexus builds cars to spoil the consumer with quality, comfort, features, and isolation from the environment which makes up daily driving, at a price which undercuts its competition...as such, judge it by that criteria, and you'll see why it meets the sale success it has within the relatively short amount of time the brand has existed.
Does the IS compete with the 3-series? Indeed it does, but for a different type of consumer, that does not want a BMW clone or BMW price. The sales of the 1st gen. IS not only highlighted this point, but it's also reinforced by Toyota's changes/philosophy for the second gen...some people want a passive driving experience, while others prefer a more active one. Neither preference/idea has failed BMW or Lexus yet.
Does the IS compete with the 3-series? Indeed it does, but for a different type of consumer, that does not want a BMW clone or BMW price. The sales of the 1st gen. IS not only highlighted this point, but it's also reinforced by Toyota's changes/philosophy for the second gen...some people want a passive driving experience, while others prefer a more active one. Neither preference/idea has failed BMW or Lexus yet.
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Based on the numbers (data) available today the 335i makes approx 275 RWHP and the IS is somewhere around 265 RWHP (Different day/conditions). Which puts the 335i somewhere in the 320 hp range. I find it funny that there have not been any head to head comparisons between the new G35, 335i and the IS. I think we will see the top three in a very close test/race. Depending on the differences (which I think will be minuet) I would much rather have a naturally aspirated engine over the complexity of a intercooled twin turbo. This set-up could end up a big can of worms for BMW!
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I think you're going to begin seeing Toyota's reliability rankings slide as they get bigger and bigger. This is pretty much par for the course when an automaker starts releasing too many new and newly redesigned cars at the same time.
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State of the art engine design? WTF are you talking about? Where do you guys come up with this crap? What does the Toyota 3.5 have that Honda didn't already have back in 1988?
And shoot, I'll bet Lotus engineers crapped their pants when they saw that the Elise didn't make as much HP as the new IS.
And shoot, I'll bet Lotus engineers crapped their pants when they saw that the Elise didn't make as much HP as the new IS.
Let’s compare apples to apples, Lotus Elise, PLEASE!
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You don't think that the Toyota 3.5 V6 is the TOP performing V6 on the market today? You can't see BMW and Nissan scrabbling to catch up?
Let’s compare apples to apples, Lotus Elise, PLEASE!
Let’s compare apples to apples, Lotus Elise, PLEASE!
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Since the Toyota 3.5 V6 was introduced in the Avalon it put almost every vehicle at the top of its class. It does it all, class leading power and fuel economy. Let’s see, Avalon, Camry, Rav4, RX, IS, ES, etc. You don't think that the Toyota 3.5 V6 is the TOP performing V6 on the market today? You can't see BMW and Nissan scrabbling to catch up?
Let’s compare apples to apples, Lotus Elise, PLEASE!
Koz
Let’s compare apples to apples, Lotus Elise, PLEASE!
Koz
Also, the BMW Inline 6, with less displacement, was putting out 333 HP something like 6 years ago (and 360 HP in CSL form), so 300 HP these days isn't that special. It's good, but not special.