Originally Posted by genearch

or this:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...63&postcount=1

"It took them two weeks to repair it and I was told that I have to bring back in because they didn’t have several hoses and they are on order. Forgot to mention, I also had front passenger seat replaced at this time for the same problem as I had with driver seat. Not to mention that dealer also had to replace front brakes and rotors, because the steering wheel vibrated. Today I was driving from work and in the middle of the freeway a very severe knocking sound came from engine. Had it towed to the dealer again."

Simply search the IS forum for "lemon" and you'll find several different scenarios where the IS has failed. Some minor, some major. it happens to all cars, so there is no reason to paint the whole series with the same brush.

Its easy to point out incidents like this when it happens, but that's far from the norm. Everyone will be quick to point out Lexus reliability and they are right, but lets not forget that BMW reliability is well above average as well.

Originally Posted by bluestar

And this post is from a Lexus Super-mod ? If this wasn't on CL, I'd swear it was a post on a BMW board

Originally Posted by lobuxracer

Turbos fail. It happens to them all at some point.

Originally Posted by KKelly

"Lease deal, $529 a month, $3500 drive off. Pretty cheap, BMW is
offering a very cheap money factor..."

Originally Posted by Shinobi-X

To be honest, in SCCA the 3 series is a mere D stock class competitor...for all the handling that people claim the 3 series does, its really not some beast in the department, and lacked everything in the power department before this turbo version. The new IS is foremost a luxury car, different than the 1st gen. in most every way, and its meant to behave on the street first, while doing anything else secondary, including performance, hence why the 250 has greater sales expectations. I wouldn't even call the 3 series a true luxury vehicle by comparison, as its always walked a line that held more of a bias towards performance, very distinct from that which Lexus has and always will offer. If one complains about handling, feel, and performance driving dynamic, then buy the car designed around those principles...but don't expect it from Lexus, in a fashion similar to why you wouldn't expect a Rolls Royce to suddenly start carving corners with the feel of a Lotus. Lexus builds cars to spoil the consumer with quality, comfort, features, and isolation from the environment which makes up daily driving, at a price which undercuts its competition...as such, judge it by that criteria, and you'll see why it meets the sale success it has within the relatively short amount of time the brand has existed.

Does the IS compete with the 3-series? Indeed it does, but for a different type of consumer, that does not want a BMW clone or BMW price. The sales of the 1st gen. IS not only highlighted this point, but it's also reinforced by Toyota's changes/philosophy for the second gen...some people want a passive driving experience, while others prefer a more active one. Neither preference/idea has failed BMW or Lexus yet.

Originally Posted by Koz

Based on the numbers (data) available today the 335i makes approx 275 RWHP and the IS is somewhere around 265 RWHP (Different day/conditions). Which puts the 335i somewhere in the 320 hp range. I find it funny that there have not been any head to head comparisons between the new G35, 335i and the IS. I think we will see the top three in a very close test/race. Depending on the differences (which I think will be minuet) I would much rather have a naturally aspirated engine over the complexity of a intercooled twin turbo. This set-up could end up a big can of worms for BMW!

Koz

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

Rattles are one thing, engines are another. IS is still the most reliable in class as most every Lexus in its respective class.

Originally Posted by ff_

State of the art engine design? WTF are you talking about? Where do you guys come up with this crap? What does the Toyota 3.5 have that Honda didn't already have back in 1988?

And shoot, I'll bet Lotus engineers crapped their pants when they saw that the Elise didn't make as much HP as the new IS.

Originally Posted by Koz

Since the Toyota 3.5 V6 was introduced in the Avalon it put almost every vehicle at the top of its class. It does it all, class leading power and fuel economy. Let’s see, Avalon, Camry, Rav4, RX, IS, ES, etc. You don't think that the Toyota 3.5 V6 is the TOP performing V6 on the market today? You can't see BMW and Nissan scrabbling to catch up?

Let’s compare apples to apples, Lotus Elise, PLEASE!

Koz