The Mother of all 335i vs IS350 threads (please read 1st post in thread!)
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You do know that Bmw underrated the twin turbo 3.0l motor ? Bmw claims 300hp (at the flywheel) but dyno runs from owners show almost 290hp (at the wheels). In comparison Lexus claims 306hp for the IS350, and dyno runs from owners here show apprx 255-260hp, so do the math. IMHO, Bmw can prolly get up to 400hp (flywheel) w/out significant modification to the existing motor and still honor the factory warranty . . .
If the 335 was comparably priced to the IS350, I'd be very tempted . . .
If the 335 was comparably priced to the IS350, I'd be very tempted . . .
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You do know that Bmw underrated the twin turbo 3.0l motor ? Bmw claims 300hp (at the flywheel) but dyno runs from owners show almost 290hp (at the wheels). In comparison Lexus claims 306hp for the IS350, and dyno runs from owners here show apprx 255-260hp, so do the math. IMHO, Bmw can prolly get up to 400hp (flywheel) w/out significant modification to the existing motor and still honor the factory warranty . . .
If the 335 was comparably priced to the IS350, I'd be very tempted . . .
If the 335 was comparably priced to the IS350, I'd be very tempted . . .
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I don't guess people understand that top end the BMW will PULL away from you. Red light to red light the IS out accelerates alot of things on the road and that is thanks to your gearing. Most factory cars unless dragsters such as the camaro do not come with 4.10 gearing. We did the math.. our IS350 has as much potential power as a Camaro SS with 3.73 gears until you pass your final drive ratio. Maybe someone can call the BS on our math but I know the Camaro SS (2001 Model) is over the 300HP range at the wheels. Off the line I kill my friend simply because he can't get traction.. on slicks its relatively close until he hits midway into 3rd.
This is an automatic SS too.
This is an automatic SS too.
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I think the more important issue here is the 335i is having some major problems with the fuel pump dying and putting the car into limp mode. But worst yet is the dealer don't have the part to fix it, read any BMW forum and numerous folks with 335 turbos have had fuel pumps breaking, no not just 1 or 2 or 10 or 20 but alot of folks so it's become a larger problem, some new owners have been out of commision for weeks and weeks still waiting. How fun is that, then worst yet is the dealers won't tell the customers if the same defective fuel pump is being put right back on only to break again down the road. Some owners are afraid to drive far away in there new 335i.
I'm getting close to my pre-order for my IS350 so I am praying I won't have any engine issues on the IS350.
I'm getting close to my pre-order for my IS350 so I am praying I won't have any engine issues on the IS350.
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BMW has already done it without twin turbos in the E46 M3. There's different ways to achieve power, one shouldn't knock BMW for using bi-turbo. In fact, the car is much more moddable, similar to how the previous Audis were.
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I'll take the loss driving performance tempered with reliability, styling, resale value, etc. I don't want to have to get an extended warranty to either keep the car or try to sell it to a prospective buyer who wouldn't touch it without.
I'm not saying you're wrong as every car in this segment has its strong and weak points.
I'm not saying you're wrong as every car in this segment has its strong and weak points.
For me I like both cars and drive an IS250 every weekend. The 335i was the car better suited for me though. I prefer the driving dynamics, the interior IMO isn't as bad in person, and looks of the 335i (Coupe). The IS350 does not offer a fold-down backseat (I snowboard and do not want a roof rack), stick (for those who want it), real time traffic with Nav (Lexus may have a touchscreen but it is crippled and you need to open it up on 07s), the 335i is more responsive to mods being turbo, and there is more legroom. Oh yeah, and there's no coupe available.
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While magazine figures show handling to be close, I do not feel the same when driving the 2 cars. The IS does inspire me to push the car. I drove both the IS250 and IS350 (twice) at the Taste of Lexus and honestly did not like the way the car handled. It was a very comfortable car however.
I don't see what the big fuss is with I-Drive. For me it's easy to use and recent program changes have made it much faster than what it used to be. Plus there are programmable buttons now in March Production models.
Of course I am more confident in the reliability with Lexus but hey that's what extended maintenance/warranty are for. I'm not even sure I'll keep this car long term anyways (I generally don't).
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Overpriced is relative to how much you make. A G35 owner can call the IS overpriced as well.
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The 335 might beat you around the track for the first few laps but when it over heats and shuts down like they do, you'll take em quick. AKA I’d give BMW a few generations of turbo use before I bought one.
That being said, if I wanted a turbo and driving dynamics that is really the only offering of a 335, Id have kept my stock Sti and spanked on the “driving dynamics” of the 335 with the stick 12.9 quarter.
That being said, if I wanted a turbo and driving dynamics that is really the only offering of a 335, Id have kept my stock Sti and spanked on the “driving dynamics” of the 335 with the stick 12.9 quarter.
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That being said, if I wanted a turbo and driving dynamics that is really the only offering of a 335, Id have kept my stock Sti and spanked on the “driving dynamics” of the 335 with the stick 12.9 quarter.
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There's nothing wrong with either car, they are just cars engineered for different people. I don't understand why some people can't appreciate one without bashing the other.
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Resale value on a 3 may be great but the resale on the IS is greaterer.
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For example:
http://www.vehix.com/(A(XOsrM0-vxwEk...ookieSupport=1
http://www.bmwcca.org/node/6203
For example:
Kelley Blue Book named the 2007 BMW 5 Series the winner of the Luxury Vehicle category in the Kelley Blue Book 2007 “Best Resale Value Awards” and the 2007 5 Series an “Overall Top 10” leader in projected resale value.*
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Its absurd to compare an Sti 4 door sedan to a BWM 4 door sedan? In fact those 2 cars target the exact same audience. Clearly people not interested in interiors and quality and such... but more so driving dynamics.. and damn the Sti wins that hands down.