Some thoughts about the 2IS forum
12-20-06, 09:48 AM
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Some thoughts about the 2IS forum
After being on the CL boards for a couple months, I've noticed that there's a large amount of negativity concerning the 2IS coming from a certain contingent of people. Now, don't get me wrong…if there's something wrong with our cars, I'd be the first to want to know. And, this contingent seems to always be very forthcoming, and not at all offensive or resorting to personal attacks. In fact, they seem like pretty decent people. So, I got to thinking, I believe there are a couple reasons this particular attitude offends a good number of people on the forum. 1. Nobody likes to hear that something they like/spent a lot of money on/have dedicated a large amount of time and effort into learning about to make it as best as it can possible be flat-out sucks. 2. There's absolutely nothing constructive about said attitude.
To elaborate on the second point: it'd be one thing to have someone mention a problem or concern they're having with their car, and have someone jump in saying, 'Well frankly, these cars don't do this so well. Here's something you can do to fix it, or maybe you could look to this other car for a different take on the issue,' as opposed to, 'I hate to say it, but the car is crap, there's nothing to be gained by trying to solve your problem.' A common response to this is people to ask, well, why is this person even on this board? I feel like this is the wrong attitude...I think people can always learn something from anyone who is at least capable of presenting their perspective in a clear and friendly manner. Unfortunately, this doesn't always happen. While I feel that everyone deserves a voice, excessively negative posts thinly disguised as flame-bait create a lot of unnecessary hostility and detract from our sense of community.
My point of writing all this is to ask people who may fall into this category to please, try and think about what you're doing. I really believe that everyone here would absolutely love to have a place where we can have friendly, car-related discussion without feeling like that the thread could turn into a ****** show at any second. If you're going to promote other cars, please remember you *are* on a Lexus-themed board. While your opinions are entirely relevant, the context in which you voice them isn't, necessarily. I think most of the people who fall into this category are aware of this, and are more or less enjoying the fact that they're fostering a bunch of hostility. I guess what I'm hoping is for these people to show a bit more maturity and empathy in their posts, so our little spot on the web about the 2IS can be a happy and community-driven place to have a discussion. Thanks.
-Andy
To elaborate on the second point: it'd be one thing to have someone mention a problem or concern they're having with their car, and have someone jump in saying, 'Well frankly, these cars don't do this so well. Here's something you can do to fix it, or maybe you could look to this other car for a different take on the issue,' as opposed to, 'I hate to say it, but the car is crap, there's nothing to be gained by trying to solve your problem.' A common response to this is people to ask, well, why is this person even on this board? I feel like this is the wrong attitude...I think people can always learn something from anyone who is at least capable of presenting their perspective in a clear and friendly manner. Unfortunately, this doesn't always happen. While I feel that everyone deserves a voice, excessively negative posts thinly disguised as flame-bait create a lot of unnecessary hostility and detract from our sense of community.
My point of writing all this is to ask people who may fall into this category to please, try and think about what you're doing. I really believe that everyone here would absolutely love to have a place where we can have friendly, car-related discussion without feeling like that the thread could turn into a ****** show at any second. If you're going to promote other cars, please remember you *are* on a Lexus-themed board. While your opinions are entirely relevant, the context in which you voice them isn't, necessarily. I think most of the people who fall into this category are aware of this, and are more or less enjoying the fact that they're fostering a bunch of hostility. I guess what I'm hoping is for these people to show a bit more maturity and empathy in their posts, so our little spot on the web about the 2IS can be a happy and community-driven place to have a discussion. Thanks.
-Andy
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12-20-06, 11:23 AM
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Well said Andy.
I'll let this post standalone for a couple of days them merge it into the 'community' thread https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=247192
I'll let this post standalone for a couple of days them merge it into the 'community' thread https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=247192
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12-20-06, 06:57 PM
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12-20-06, 08:38 PM
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Ha, nice work, didn't think **** was going to have to be pulled that soon from this thread. 
Thanks for the support, and sorry for the long and serious post, but it's something that kinda bugs me each time I see a thread that starts out interesting and neutral, then ralphs all over itself once someone intentionally says the wrong thing.
It'd be better if people instead devoted their energy toward working on my laundry list of things I'd like to change, including: convincing the dealer to turn off my DRL's/allowing me access to the scan tool to do it my damn self, an '07 nav soft bypass, raising the windows via remote, having a true dual exhaust, and um, how about....a standalone ECU/means to edit custom maps? Anyone?!?
Thanks for the support, and sorry for the long and serious post, but it's something that kinda bugs me each time I see a thread that starts out interesting and neutral, then ralphs all over itself once someone intentionally says the wrong thing.
It'd be better if people instead devoted their energy toward working on my laundry list of things I'd like to change, including: convincing the dealer to turn off my DRL's/allowing me access to the scan tool to do it my damn self, an '07 nav soft bypass, raising the windows via remote, having a true dual exhaust, and um, how about....a standalone ECU/means to edit custom maps? Anyone?!?
12-21-06, 06:39 AM
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Well said I have to agree wholeheartedly. I belong to quite a few forums and it is that type of post that often ruins the sense of community that can exist. The other opinions, while they may have validity, just don't really belong on a forum that is geared to Lexus IS enthusiasts. If one has such negativity towards the IS then this isn't really the place to bash the car.
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