2007 IS350 vs 2007 G35
03-08-07, 11:40 AM
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I guess I'm (proudly) in the driving enthusiast minority. I do require a certain amount of comfort in my ride... that's why I don't drive an Elise. But there's a certain amount of pleasure I derive from pulling off a smooth rev-matched downshift as I approach the wide, 360 degree freeway onramp not too far from my house. Or, when I feel the chassis settle with a bit of throttle in the downhill right-hand turn I make every weekday. Neither of these examples are done utilizing the "top performance" of my vehicle, but they do take advantage of qualities that are not as prevalent in lower performing vehicles.
The fact of the matter is that all of the the vehicles in the sport sedan segment have their own distinct personality. The IS leans more towards luxury, the 3-series is more performance-oriented, and the G35 has a blend of both qualities. All of these are excellent vehicles and choosing between them depends on what you value in a ride.
The fact of the matter is that all of the the vehicles in the sport sedan segment have their own distinct personality. The IS leans more towards luxury, the 3-series is more performance-oriented, and the G35 has a blend of both qualities. All of these are excellent vehicles and choosing between them depends on what you value in a ride.
03-08-07, 12:48 PM
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Isn't rev matching one of the big things Infiniti is touting on their new G35? I must admit that I'm not a performance driver enough to really understand / feel the difference. As long as I don't have any unpleasant hiccups when my transmission changes gears, I'm happy. But, I am curious to know from someone who does pay close attention to these things if you think Infiniti implemented their rev matching well or if their marketing on this is just talk.
The SepTronic in the 335i however is a different story - seamless lighting-fast rev-matches [and upshifts]100% of-the-time; and is comparable to VW's DSG IMO.
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03-08-07, 01:40 PM
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1. you depress the clutch
2. downshift to a lower gear
3. press the gas pedal (sometimes with the heel of your right foot while the ball of your right foot is on the brake simultaneously) to rev up the engine to approximately the rpm's that the engine will be at the lower gear at that speed
4. let out the clutch.
Sounds a little complicated but when you get some practice, you can do this in around a second or so.
There is very little that matches the satisfaction you get when you do this perfectly especially on the track.
03-08-07, 09:29 PM
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So, I went out and test drove both the IS 350 and G35 back to back today... and today's test drive sealed the deal. Both are nice performers... but the Lexus has a sportyness / pep to it that the Infiniti does not. For me, the Lexus is the hands down winner - and I've already gotten the ball rolling on negotiations on it. Hopefully I can be an official member of this forum very soon!!!
03-08-07, 10:23 PM
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I think Eric has a 6mt in his coupe as I did in mine so we might be talking about 2 different types of rev matching. One is on an auto where the cars computer does the rev matching like Audi's DSG. The other (on an MT) is usually associated with heel/toe downshifting (and braking) where:
1. you depress the clutch
2. downshift to a lower gear
3. press the gas pedal (sometimes with the heel of your right foot while the ball of your right foot is on the brake simultaneously) to rev up the engine to approximately the rpm's that the engine will be at the lower gear at that speed
4. let out the clutch.
Sounds a little complicated but when you get some practice, you can do this in around a second or so.
There is very little that matches the satisfaction you get when you do this perfectly especially on the track.
1. you depress the clutch
2. downshift to a lower gear
3. press the gas pedal (sometimes with the heel of your right foot while the ball of your right foot is on the brake simultaneously) to rev up the engine to approximately the rpm's that the engine will be at the lower gear at that speed
4. let out the clutch.
Sounds a little complicated but when you get some practice, you can do this in around a second or so.
There is very little that matches the satisfaction you get when you do this perfectly especially on the track.
03-09-07, 05:38 AM
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So, I went out and test drove both the IS 350 and G35 back to back today... and today's test drive sealed the deal. Both are nice performers... but the Lexus has a sportyness / pep to it that the Infiniti does not. For me, the Lexus is the hands down winner - and I've already gotten the ball rolling on negotiations on it. Hopefully I can be an official member of this forum very soon!!!
I probably choose the 350 over the G35 because of that difference while driving. I choose the 350 over the 3 series because of my preference of the local Lexus dealers over the BMW dealers here in my city.
Take your time in negotiating ,,,,,, some dealers will NEVER give you their best deal on the first visit ,,,,,,,play off the fact that you liked the G35, let them know they have competition. Few members share the deal they get when buying but members seem to have got $2000us-$3500us off the MSRP price ….. depends on what part of the country you live in.
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Take your time in negotiating ,,,,,, some dealers will NEVER give you their best deal on the first visit ,,,,,,,play off the fact that you liked the G35, let them know they have competition. Few members share the deal they get when buying but members seem to have got $2000us-$3500us off the MSRP price ….. depends on what part of the country you live in.
MSRP = $43,737
Invoice = $38,038
Holdback = $714
So... my starting point for negotiation is going to be $37,324. Add no more than 6% for dealer profit and I'm at $39,563. I'm not willing to pay more than that. Especially considering that with the same options, the G35 is only $37k.. and that is MSRP! Am I dreaming??
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There is quite a bit of competition down here so I'm confident I can negotiate a good deal. I'm looking for packages LT, NV, and LR.
MSRP = $43,737
Invoice = $38,038
Holdback = $714
So... my starting point for negotiation is going to be $37,324. Add no more than 6% for dealer profit and I'm at $39,563. I'm not willing to pay more than that. Especially considering that with the same options, the G35 is only $37k.. and that is MSRP! Am I dreaming??
MSRP = $43,737
Invoice = $38,038
Holdback = $714
So... my starting point for negotiation is going to be $37,324. Add no more than 6% for dealer profit and I'm at $39,563. I'm not willing to pay more than that. Especially considering that with the same options, the G35 is only $37k.. and that is MSRP! Am I dreaming??
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So... my starting point for negotiation is going to be $37,324. Add no more than 6% for dealer profit and I'm at $39,563. I'm not willing to pay more than that. Especially considering that with the same options, the G35 is only $37k.. and that is MSRP! Am I dreaming??
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Good luck!
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A few points and a few comments.
One point I have not yet seen raised in seven pages of this thread is that Lexus does not make a limited slip differential available on the IS350 (and it is standard on the Sport G35). No LSD is one of the biggest complaints on the 335 forums. While BMW says it does not (yet) have an electronic limited slip differential which will match up with available 335 transmissions, BMW has said it is working on it (and one should be standard on the M3). I don't know if the lack of comments about no Lexus LSD better defines the drivers of the IS350, but for some/many, this is major point for a rwd vehicle with this much power.
Second, Lexus's basic warranty coverage is 50K miles, while Infiniti's is 60K miles. If you drive more than 12K/year and plan on keeping your car for 4 years, this may be important to you.
Second, Lexus's basic warranty coverage is 50K miles, while Infiniti's is 60K miles. If you drive more than 12K/year and plan on keeping your car for 4 years, this may be important to you.
03-11-07, 05:23 PM
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One point I have not yet seen raised in seven pages of this thread is that Lexus does not make a limited slip differential available on the IS350 (and it is standard on the Sport G35). No LSD is one of the biggest complaints on the 335 forums. While BMW says it does not (yet) have an electronic limited slip differential which will match up with available 335 transmissions, BMW has said it is working on it (and one should be standard on the M3). I don't know if the lack of comments about no Lexus LSD better defines the drivers of the IS350, but for some/many, this is major point for a rwd vehicle with this much power.
Second, Lexus's basic warranty coverage is 50K miles, while Infiniti's is 60K miles. If you drive more than 12K/year and plan on keeping your car for 4 years, this may be important to you.
Second, Lexus's basic warranty coverage is 50K miles, while Infiniti's is 60K miles. If you drive more than 12K/year and plan on keeping your car for 4 years, this may be important to you.
BTW, there is a good reason why Infiniti offers a longer warranty.
