Service manager gave me a hard time.
03-18-07 | 12:12 PM
#46
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From: Ca
I don't have time to clean my wheels every other day. My car looks old & ugly if I drive for 3 days without washing it just because of the wheels. I don't race my car or drive fast. I want it pretty and shiny! I'm gonna call my service advisor!
03-18-07 | 06:11 PM
#49
Ok a few things:
A. Most of the people making negative comments haven't had the work done, I had it done 2 weeks ago - I haven't felt any significant changes in braking power or distance. In fact feels a bit more solid to me.
B. This whole brake issue reminds me of performance mods discussion, specifically the "feeling of a hp/torque increase" aka the "butt-o-meter". Everyone's experience is going to vary, some people think there's some difference, others minimal or no difference.
All I know is that they feel identical to me, I got a free set of front brakes and my BBS wheels are no longer black about 5 minutes after I clean them.
Great upside for me, your mileage may vary.
A. Most of the people making negative comments haven't had the work done, I had it done 2 weeks ago - I haven't felt any significant changes in braking power or distance. In fact feels a bit more solid to me.
B. This whole brake issue reminds me of performance mods discussion, specifically the "feeling of a hp/torque increase" aka the "butt-o-meter". Everyone's experience is going to vary, some people think there's some difference, others minimal or no difference.
All I know is that they feel identical to me, I got a free set of front brakes and my BBS wheels are no longer black about 5 minutes after I clean them.
Great upside for me, your mileage may vary.
03-19-07 | 04:31 PM
#51
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From: BC
Ok a few things:
A. Most of the people making negative comments haven't had the work done, I had it done 2 weeks ago - I haven't felt any significant changes in braking power or distance. In fact feels a bit more solid to me.
B. This whole brake issue reminds me of performance mods discussion, specifically the "feeling of a hp/torque increase" aka the "butt-o-meter". Everyone's experience is going to vary, some people think there's some difference, others minimal or no difference.
All I know is that they feel identical to me, I got a free set of front brakes and my BBS wheels are no longer black about 5 minutes after I clean them.
Great upside for me, your mileage may vary.
A. Most of the people making negative comments haven't had the work done, I had it done 2 weeks ago - I haven't felt any significant changes in braking power or distance. In fact feels a bit more solid to me.
B. This whole brake issue reminds me of performance mods discussion, specifically the "feeling of a hp/torque increase" aka the "butt-o-meter". Everyone's experience is going to vary, some people think there's some difference, others minimal or no difference.
All I know is that they feel identical to me, I got a free set of front brakes and my BBS wheels are no longer black about 5 minutes after I clean them.
Great upside for me, your mileage may vary.
03-19-07 | 07:16 PM
#52
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: NSW
Quote: aka the "butt-o-meter".
Hahahaha - Classic!! Because it's SO true! Well put.
For some people the qualitative impression (the "feel") is more important, for others the quantitative stats (braking distance measurements) will be more important. Each to their own.
Hahahaha - Classic!! Because it's SO true! Well put.
For some people the qualitative impression (the "feel") is more important, for others the quantitative stats (braking distance measurements) will be more important. Each to their own.
03-19-07 | 08:04 PM
#53
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From: CA
I know the TSB doesn't apply to the 250 but my wheels are pretty much dark dark gray. They're darker than gunmetal colored rims. I want to bring this up the next time I go to the service department, which is pretty soon, but I don't know what I should say. Would it be futile to even try since the TSB is strictly for 350's only? Or should I just complain like no other?
03-20-07 | 08:32 AM
#55
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From: UK
Ah them's the breaks...
If the replacement pads don't stop you as well as the original ones it could turn out very expensive when in an emergency, instead of pulling up 2 feet short of the car in front, you stop 2 feet inside the trunk of the car in front.
If the replacement pads don't stop you as well as the original ones it could turn out very expensive when in an emergency, instead of pulling up 2 feet short of the car in front, you stop 2 feet inside the trunk of the car in front.
03-20-07 | 09:48 PM
#57
Brake pads will not change your stopping distance on a single stop. EVER. If you can engage ABS, there is NO MORE TRACTION AVAILABLE and therefore, no amount of any additional braking component will allow you to stop in a shorter distance. If the friction available on the brake exceeds the friction available on the driving surface, then no amount of "superior" brake componentry will shorten your stopping distance. The feel may change, but you don't stop by feel with ABS.
There is NO WAY the replacement pads will give a longer stopping distance unless you are fade testing the pads. Even then, the are both rated the same (FF) so their performance even under fade will be at the very least similar.
As I posted in another thread, the replacement pads deliver the same braking performance under street use as the original pads do. The feel is nearly identical. There is no "loss" of anything from a driver's perspective, and I have tested them both intentionally and unintentionally from speeds up to 90 mph. They work just fine. And the dust is nearly invisible.
I posted pics of the wheels after 1600 miles of use including around town and freeway driving (Sac - Bay Area - San Diego - Bay - Sac) with lots of fun slow and go in the LA Basin. I washed the car today, but the pics are dirty car pics. Avert your eyes if you are offended by a dirty IS350.
There is NO WAY the replacement pads will give a longer stopping distance unless you are fade testing the pads. Even then, the are both rated the same (FF) so their performance even under fade will be at the very least similar.
As I posted in another thread, the replacement pads deliver the same braking performance under street use as the original pads do. The feel is nearly identical. There is no "loss" of anything from a driver's perspective, and I have tested them both intentionally and unintentionally from speeds up to 90 mph. They work just fine. And the dust is nearly invisible.
I posted pics of the wheels after 1600 miles of use including around town and freeway driving (Sac - Bay Area - San Diego - Bay - Sac) with lots of fun slow and go in the LA Basin. I washed the car today, but the pics are dirty car pics. Avert your eyes if you are offended by a dirty IS350.
Last edited by lobuxracer; 03-20-07 at 11:38 PM. Reason: Pics are posted now in Brake TSIB Thread
03-20-07 | 10:02 PM
#58
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From: BC
Brake pads will not change your stopping distance on a single stop. EVER. If you can engage ABS, there is NO MORE TRACTION AVAILABLE and therefore, no amount of any additional braking component will allow you to stop in a shorter distance. If the friction available on the brake exceeds the friction available on the driving surface, then no amount of "superior" brake componentry will shorten your stopping distance. The feel may change, but you don't stop by feel with ABS.
There is NO WAY the replacement pads will give a longer stopping distance unless you are fade testing the pads. Even then, the are both rated the same (FF) so their performance even under fade will be at the very least similar.
As I posted in another thread, the replacement pads deliver the same braking performance under street use as the original pads do. The feel is nearly identical. There is no "loss" of anything from a driver's perspective, and I have tested them both intentionally and unintentionally from speeds up to 90 mph. They work just fine. And the dust is nearly invisible.
I will post pics of the wheels after 1600 miles of use including around town and freeway driving (Sac - Bay Area - San Diego - Bay - Sac) with lots of fun slow and go in the LA Basin. I washed the car today, but the pics are dirty car pics. Avert your eyes if you are offended by a dirty IS350.
There is NO WAY the replacement pads will give a longer stopping distance unless you are fade testing the pads. Even then, the are both rated the same (FF) so their performance even under fade will be at the very least similar.
As I posted in another thread, the replacement pads deliver the same braking performance under street use as the original pads do. The feel is nearly identical. There is no "loss" of anything from a driver's perspective, and I have tested them both intentionally and unintentionally from speeds up to 90 mph. They work just fine. And the dust is nearly invisible.
I will post pics of the wheels after 1600 miles of use including around town and freeway driving (Sac - Bay Area - San Diego - Bay - Sac) with lots of fun slow and go in the LA Basin. I washed the car today, but the pics are dirty car pics. Avert your eyes if you are offended by a dirty IS350.
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