View Poll Results: How many of you would actually buy an IS 350 6MT
I would have purchased it over my IS350 6AT
119
42.20%
I would have purchased it over my IS 250 6MT/6AT
51
18.09%
I would come from another brand to purchase it
16
5.67%
No thanks, happy where I'm at
96
34.04%
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If an IS350 6MT was available, how many would buy it?
06-20-07, 05:35 PM
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I would have at least considered the 6MT if it was available for the IS350 but depends on how good it felt ... I did test drive the 6MT IS250 and I thought the shifter was pretty sloppy and imprecise... disappointing. I know Toyota can build a decent shifter, because my MR2 has a pretty satisfying 5MT. But it is nice to know that if I have had too much to drink one night, my wife can drive the 6AT home for me. 
06-20-07, 09:03 PM
#35
Here's some food for thought... Of all the new Ferrari's sold in 2006, only 17% were sold with the manual gearbox. The rest were Ferarri's F1 paddle-shifter transmission. And Ferrari's are ordered, which means these fortunate ones chose this transmission, and didn't "settle" for it. Now I know that the A760E in the IS350 is nothing like the F1, but it helps me make the following point: If the IS350 was available with a DSG or SMG-like gearbox, then HELL YEAH I would have ordered one. Otherwise, I'll stick with my auto, thank you very much...
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THe ferarri's paddle shifter does what you tell it to do. Big difference.
06-20-07, 10:51 PM
#36
but those are different than our own transmissions. Our transmission is full AT. It offers very little control, Despite the farce for paddle shifters on the steering column. The IS350 transmission does what it wants.
THe ferarri's paddle shifter does what you tell it to do. Big difference.
THe ferarri's paddle shifter does what you tell it to do. Big difference.
I still like the A760E very, very much.Javier
06-20-07, 11:35 PM
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but those are different than our own transmissions. Our transmission is full AT. It offers very little control, Despite the farce for paddle shifters on the steering column. The IS350 transmission does what it wants.
THe ferarri's paddle shifter does what you tell it to do. Big difference.
THe ferarri's paddle shifter does what you tell it to do. Big difference.
When the wrx first came out what do you think the guys did as soon as they bought it? turn up the boost, what happened next? lotta blown motors going back for warrenty AFTER they turned the boost back down. Guess what happened at subaru, they figured it out very very quickly... yep. If the trans in our IS's did what we wanted them to do? the 06 IS guys would have messed it up for all us 07 and up guys and we would have to drive very carefully so we dont hold gears and what, throw a rod? suck a valve? burn the main bearings? who knows? and im glad were not finding out.
The IS is not expensive enough to keep it out of the hands of the 2fast2stupid generation.
06-21-07, 11:25 AM
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Im so glad the trans wont let me do what i want and you should be too, why? Lemme tell you a story.
When the wrx first came out what do you think the guys did as soon as they bought it? turn up the boost, what happened next? lotta blown motors going back for warrenty AFTER they turned the boost back down. Guess what happened at subaru, they figured it out very very quickly... yep. If the trans in our IS's did what we wanted them to do? the 06 IS guys would have messed it up for all us 07 and up guys and we would have to drive very carefully so we dont hold gears and what, throw a rod? suck a valve? burn the main bearings? who knows? and im glad were not finding out.
The IS is not expensive enough to keep it out of the hands of the 2fast2stupid generation.
When the wrx first came out what do you think the guys did as soon as they bought it? turn up the boost, what happened next? lotta blown motors going back for warrenty AFTER they turned the boost back down. Guess what happened at subaru, they figured it out very very quickly... yep. If the trans in our IS's did what we wanted them to do? the 06 IS guys would have messed it up for all us 07 and up guys and we would have to drive very carefully so we dont hold gears and what, throw a rod? suck a valve? burn the main bearings? who knows? and im glad were not finding out.
The IS is not expensive enough to keep it out of the hands of the 2fast2stupid generation.
To quote the great Forrest Gump "stupid is, is stupid does".
06-21-07, 11:50 AM
#42
Obviously Lexus in their research asked a similar poll of its main audience and decided that demand for a 350MT did not justify the incremental expenses and the loss in production scale.
I think this poll is telling, when only 50% or so of the most enthusiastic drivers of the car are saying they'd probably buy it. When it's time to actually buy though, probably half of those drop out due to practical reality, wife's demands, availability, etc. Plus, Lexus did a good job of tricking people that the paddle shifters are a close substitute, so only the truly hard core manual drivers would get the manual, I think.
This is a good poll and I think really shows that the market for the MT is just not there to justify another variant of the model. The only consideration I would think of is that it would please the car magazines who love having manuals for their track and backroads drives. For an overwhelming majority of drivers (who are not on CL), an auto with the paddles is a perfect combo.
I think this poll is telling, when only 50% or so of the most enthusiastic drivers of the car are saying they'd probably buy it. When it's time to actually buy though, probably half of those drop out due to practical reality, wife's demands, availability, etc. Plus, Lexus did a good job of tricking people that the paddle shifters are a close substitute, so only the truly hard core manual drivers would get the manual, I think.
This is a good poll and I think really shows that the market for the MT is just not there to justify another variant of the model. The only consideration I would think of is that it would please the car magazines who love having manuals for their track and backroads drives. For an overwhelming majority of drivers (who are not on CL), an auto with the paddles is a perfect combo.
06-21-07, 11:52 AM
#43
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Isnt that the point of a manual transmission? To allow you to choose the correct gear? I dont see how a manual would change the reliability of the car if driven as intended. I had no problems with my last cars and their manual transmissions even with repeated burnouts and redline shifting. I think it has nothing to do with abuse and everything to do with knowing how to use it.
To quote the great Forrest Gump "stupid is, is stupid does".
To quote the great Forrest Gump "stupid is, is stupid does".
Oh nm, im just ranting... rabble rabble rabble.
06-21-07, 04:37 PM
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Manual? Sure, if the wife could drive it, but she can't and she won't learn. We even bought a Scion tC with a manual so she could learn to drive it, but she only got frustrated that she had to push in the clutch to come to a stop. Which actually turns out just fine because she doesn't ask to drive the Supra. Ever.
I just know that if we go out and I plan to drink, I'm taking the IS because she'll drive home for sure.
And I couldn't agree more about the quality of the MT in the IS250. Seriously, a Tacoma gearbox? That's just not right!
I just know that if we go out and I plan to drink, I'm taking the IS because she'll drive home for sure.
And I couldn't agree more about the quality of the MT in the IS250. Seriously, a Tacoma gearbox? That's just not right!
