Dealership refused my TSIB on "engine knock & rattle noise" Help plz ..
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Exclusiv what part of NY are you in?? I'm about 40 minutes north of the city and take the drive up to the Lexus of Bridgeport for my service.. they're pretty good there - very nice, and my only issue was when the technician told me i couldn't get the warning light to go off until i bought sensors on my aftermarket rims... he was a little snotty about it probably because he didnt like that i exhanged the lexus rims for something cheaper/less performance oriented, and then was complaining that the car wouldnt accept them... but i took that as my fault not his lol
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Exclusiv what part of NY are you in?? I'm about 40 minutes north of the city and take the drive up to the Lexus of Bridgeport for my service.. they're pretty good there - very nice, and my only issue was when the technician told me i couldn't get the warning light to go off until i bought sensors on my aftermarket rims... he was a little snotty about it probably because he didnt like that i exhanged the lexus rims for something cheaper/less performance oriented, and then was complaining that the car wouldnt accept them... but i took that as my fault not his lol
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yeah exactly.. he kinda gave me the look - what the oem's and a working display werent good enough? and i think was happy to tell me that the tradeoff for my aftermarket rims was having to look at the Check System message every ride..
Where's the Rallye dealership? i live in Mount Kisco.. anywhere close?
Where's the Rallye dealership? i live in Mount Kisco.. anywhere close?
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^^ I have to disaggree.
I've replaced timing belts on several vehicles. The cam gear install is very involved. I've done a few. I lost count how many timing belts I've done but they are so much easier than the cam gear replacement on the IS & GS models. To make matters worse, Lexus pays 6.0hrs to do what takes everyone a whole day to accomplish and one little mistake and the engine goes. That maybe the reason why the thread starter's dealer isn't doing this TSIB.
I've replaced timing belts on several vehicles. The cam gear install is very involved. I've done a few. I lost count how many timing belts I've done but they are so much easier than the cam gear replacement on the IS & GS models. To make matters worse, Lexus pays 6.0hrs to do what takes everyone a whole day to accomplish and one little mistake and the engine goes. That maybe the reason why the thread starter's dealer isn't doing this TSIB.
6.0 is not unreasonable for someone with task familiarity. We both know shop rate can be beaten, it's just a matter of how many times you do the job. The first clutch I did in a Scion tC took me 6.5 hours. The last one I did (including LW flywheel swap) took 2.8. I wouldn't suggest I could beat shop time on the first pass, but I'm pretty sure I'd beat it on the second one, and kill it by the third.
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How often do you have this noise?
I have the same problem and mentioned it to my dealer at my 20000 maintenance. The noise does not occur for me on every start and the dealer says they cannot reproduce. No mention by the dealer of this TSIB and I had to find it on my own.
Does anyone know the long term consequence of not getting this fixed?
The engine sounds like metal to metal grinding when this occurs similar to a garbage disposal.
I have the same problem and mentioned it to my dealer at my 20000 maintenance. The noise does not occur for me on every start and the dealer says they cannot reproduce. No mention by the dealer of this TSIB and I had to find it on my own.
Does anyone know the long term consequence of not getting this fixed?
The engine sounds like metal to metal grinding when this occurs similar to a garbage disposal.
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I can't count the number of bike and car engines I've worked on. If it were replacing a cam drive chain on most bike engines, sure it would be a PITA because you have to go all the way down to splitting the cases - there is nothing of the sort on these engines. Heads stay on, crank stays in, and a clever mechanic doesn't even need to pull the cams. The belts on a 2JZ are only simpler because there are only two sprockets and one belt. The 2GR and 4GR have two main drive chains and two subchains. They're still not difficult, and there are plenty of alignment marks to help make sure you don't botch the job. If it were so tricky, the engine wouldn't be mass produced.
6.0 is not unreasonable for someone with task familiarity. We both know shop rate can be beaten, it's just a matter of how many times you do the job. The first clutch I did in a Scion tC took me 6.5 hours. The last one I did (including LW flywheel swap) took 2.8. I wouldn't suggest I could beat shop time on the first pass, but I'm pretty sure I'd beat it on the second one, and kill it by the third.
6.0 is not unreasonable for someone with task familiarity. We both know shop rate can be beaten, it's just a matter of how many times you do the job. The first clutch I did in a Scion tC took me 6.5 hours. The last one I did (including LW flywheel swap) took 2.8. I wouldn't suggest I could beat shop time on the first pass, but I'm pretty sure I'd beat it on the second one, and kill it by the third.
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How often do you have this noise?
I have the same problem and mentioned it to my dealer at my 20000 maintenance. The noise does not occur for me on every start and the dealer says they cannot reproduce. No mention by the dealer of this TSIB and I had to find it on my own.
Does anyone know the long term consequence of not getting this fixed?
The engine sounds like metal to metal grinding when this occurs similar to a garbage disposal.
I have the same problem and mentioned it to my dealer at my 20000 maintenance. The noise does not occur for me on every start and the dealer says they cannot reproduce. No mention by the dealer of this TSIB and I had to find it on my own.
Does anyone know the long term consequence of not getting this fixed?
The engine sounds like metal to metal grinding when this occurs similar to a garbage disposal.
I never noticed the issue on a cold start. Ever. Only on hot starts.
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I consider myself very efficient working on vehicles. The last MKIV clutch I did took me less than 45 minutes. Thats including driving the car in and back out of my lift. I've worked on several vehicles and am well aware of the difficulty levels on practically any engine out there...
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@ Gordo, would u mind letting us know waht dealership u go to?
@ Sam yeaaa bro i take mine to Rallye too, the ones closer to me are not trustworthy at all
@ Sam yeaaa bro i take mine to Rallye too, the ones closer to me are not trustworthy at all
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Tell them to let the engine run for at least a half hour to get the oil fully warmed up. Mine only made the noise consistently when the oil was at full temperature. They had no trouble reproducing the noise consistently after following this advice.
I never noticed the issue on a cold start. Ever. Only on hot starts.
I never noticed the issue on a cold start. Ever. Only on hot starts.
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Consistent, and never on a cold start.
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6.0 hours on a warranty work is alot of work usually warranty work pays half or a quarter of the regular pay. If it be a normal paying job maybe it'll pay 12hours so I dont think its simple task. I've worked at a shop where a tech has to pull out the motor on the 2006 avalon with the same 2gr motor just to do the front seal campaign it took him 2 days for that job thats pay i belive 6 hours.
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My car hasn't been making the noise at all during start ups. Although my oil level is way above the Max level on the dip stick. The oil level is above the twisted point of the dip stick, is that over filling??
I'm going back to dealer tomorrow for the new ML subwoofer installation.
My car hasn't been making the noise at all during start ups. Although my oil level is way above the Max level on the dip stick. The oil level is above the twisted point of the dip stick, is that over filling??
I'm going back to dealer tomorrow for the new ML subwoofer installation.
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Print out the official TSIB papers, and tell them the noise is still audible. If they don't want to honor this, go to Lexus Corporate. Believe me when I say Lexus Corporate takes claims seriously, within a week or two they will send a representative to that dealership and inspect the vehicle and parties included.