Why doesn't Lexus offer manual transmission in the IS350?
04-13-09, 01:34 PM
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False AWD does not make the car slower. It makes it heavier but 1) easier/better at launches and 2 handle a lot better
It might have a bit slower 1/4 mile time (debatable) but in every otehr aspect of performance it is better
Also to tie up some loose ends yes they have Auto trannys that shift faster than manual and they have some that get better gas mileage and they have some that out last their manual counter part. However the automatic on the IS350 does none of these things (except for outlast because a manual transmission on a 300hp car does take a beating). In my opinion it is the least responsive than a 3 series Beemer or a G35/37 or even a TL. However it is a 6 speed, which makes up for its sluggish performance. If you all really wanted a performance sedan you should have considered an STI or EVO. If you all want a sexy beast of a sedan that makes the "jones" regular old caddie, lexus, bmw, infinity, ect look like a grandma car, then the IS is that. Plus it is definatley the most cush (well designed interior) car for under/at 40k.
It might have a bit slower 1/4 mile time (debatable) but in every otehr aspect of performance it is better
Also to tie up some loose ends yes they have Auto trannys that shift faster than manual and they have some that get better gas mileage and they have some that out last their manual counter part. However the automatic on the IS350 does none of these things (except for outlast because a manual transmission on a 300hp car does take a beating). In my opinion it is the least responsive than a 3 series Beemer or a G35/37 or even a TL. However it is a 6 speed, which makes up for its sluggish performance. If you all really wanted a performance sedan you should have considered an STI or EVO. If you all want a sexy beast of a sedan that makes the "jones" regular old caddie, lexus, bmw, infinity, ect look like a grandma car, then the IS is that. Plus it is definatley the most cush (well designed interior) car for under/at 40k.
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04-13-09, 04:58 PM
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I think Toyota would be really dumb not to update their transmission. I mean they have comealong way in a traditionally dominated by the Germans market, but they still have a very long way to go. It is nice to pull 306 horses out of a 3.5 but if your tranny takes 1-2 sec to shift....well there is a problem. I almost compare it (very loosely) to the TL debaucle. I loved my RSX but when I test drove a 2k8 TL-S and got enough torque steer to pull me into the next lane at the start.....I almost puked. The fact is Toyota needs to fix the "achilles heel" of the IS350 and when they do they definately will have THE entry Lux Sports Sedan. Untill then I will gladly makes Mustang GT owners gasp in disbelief (instead of say 370z owners)
when did the is-f have mt??
when did the is-f have mt??
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04-13-09, 05:50 PM
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Give me an AWD Audi and a RWD BMW, and I guarantee you the BMW will rip the Audi apart on a track.
The absolute best handling configuration is mid-engine / RWD, with front engine / RWD being 2nd.
And unless you're launching a 1000HP car in the snow, AWD will not beat a skilled driver in a RWD.
04-13-09, 06:49 PM
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well first of all yes power does come into play as in how much power you are putting at the wheels. This is why mid engine RWD is popular in most cars over 350 horses. The only evidence is I can provide (to debate your OPINION) is the SCAA touring. all cars are restricted to sub 3.0 liters and have between 240-280 horses. Over the past few years guess who has come out ahead in wins?? Audi with its....you guessed it AWD. Now I must note that in this range and in these races FWD tend to come out ahead but for the most part RWD is last. Irreguardless another point of intrest is the infamous Evo and STI. These cars fit into this range (roughly) and out perform cars that are outside of this range. How many cars that are RWD can do that?
04-13-09, 07:10 PM
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Tell that to Audi and Subaru , 2 manufacturers combined have won more races in the past 10 years then any other manufacturer...
04-13-09, 07:10 PM
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^^and this has nothing to do with manual transmissions. Please stay on topic.
04-13-09, 08:42 PM
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well first of all yes power does come into play as in how much power you are putting at the wheels. This is why mid engine RWD is popular in most cars over 350 horses. The only evidence is I can provide (to debate your OPINION) is the SCAA touring. all cars are restricted to sub 3.0 liters and have between 240-280 horses. Over the past few years guess who has come out ahead in wins?? Audi with its....you guessed it AWD. Now I must note that in this range and in these races FWD tend to come out ahead but for the most part RWD is last. Irreguardless another point of intrest is the infamous Evo and STI. These cars fit into this range (roughly) and out perform cars that are outside of this range. How many cars that are RWD can do that?
I refuse to debate anything with someone who uses the non-word "irregardless", and can't even spell it.
04-14-09, 04:28 AM
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MY bad I am a horrible speller and even worse at spelling while I am typing.
But just FYI here is the definition from dictionary.com
Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis.
I was definately EMPHASIZING the fact that the EVO and STI blow some Porsches Audis (do you put an es on a proper noun?) Vettes ect out of the water. This is def not because they have a OP 2.0 liter engine!!!
Edit: Also go to UT and tell my Eng/Comp professor that Irregardless is not a word. It is a fun little debate.
But just FYI here is the definition from dictionary.com
Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis.
I was definately EMPHASIZING the fact that the EVO and STI blow some Porsches Audis (do you put an es on a proper noun?) Vettes ect out of the water. This is def not because they have a OP 2.0 liter engine!!!
Edit: Also go to UT and tell my Eng/Comp professor that Irregardless is not a word. It is a fun little debate.
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