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Old 09-27-11, 05:07 AM
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I took my car in last week for an oil change and for them to check on the carbon build-up issue. I haven't picked up my car yet, but they sent a service order to my email.

It looks like they want to replace a few parts

CONFIRMED BY TECHNICIAN (DIAGNOSTIC SPECIALIST): DOCUMENTATION PAPERWORK GENERATED AND SUBMITTED: MANUFATOR COUNTERMEASURE MAY BE REQUIRED :R/R PISTONS/PISTON RING SET, VALVE SPRINGS & VALVE LASH ADJUSTERS:FINAL APPROVAL AND PARTS PROCUREMENT PENDING; GUEST WILL BE NOTIFIED AND RESCHEDULE
Old 09-27-11, 06:06 AM
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Does this still occur if you use premium gasolines?
Old 09-27-11, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by APynckel
Does this still occur if you use premium gasolines?
Yes... most lexus drivers use premium anyway, and the issue is that fuel never touches the problem area... which is why the 350 doesn't have this problem (it has additional port injectors so fuel DOES hit that area)
Old 09-27-11, 06:49 AM
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and the issue is that fuel never touches the problem area...
I don't know what new piston rings will do to keep the valves clean... It is hard to imagine that essentially a full teardown and rebuild of the engine is the fix for all of the IS250's out there with these symptoms. What a nightmare -- and though the dealerships to seem to have good service shops, it's a complicated job and I don't know how I would feel about my engine being overhauled.
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Originally Posted by hades281
I don't know what new piston rings will do to keep the valves clean... It is hard to imagine that essentially a full teardown and rebuild of the engine is the fix for all of the IS250's out there with these symptoms. What a nightmare -- and though the dealerships to seem to have good service shops, it's a complicated job and I don't know how I would feel about my engine being overhauled.
Ya thats exactly how I feel. I'm not even sure if my dealership has done one of these yet. He just kept saying the parts aren't available. I really don't want to be the guinea pig...
Old 09-27-11, 07:17 AM
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Got the TSIB number for you guys

L-SB-0068-11

Coming from Tim (services manager at Sewell Ft Worth):
Sea foaming your engine, and / or installing a catch can between the PCV and the intake pipe will help as far as preventative maintenance goes.
Old 09-27-11, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by APynckel
Got the TSIB number for you guys

L-SB-0068-11

Coming from Tim (services manager at Sewell Ft Worth):
Sea foaming your engine, and / or installing a catch can between the PCV and the intake pipe will help as far as preventative maintenance goes.
It's funny you say that, after cleaning my intake and throttle body the one major thing I noticed was how much sludge was built up on the intake pipe and the throttle body. I mean it was black and gritty. I'll post some pictures up as soon as I get a chance. I've been looking at the best solution as far as a catch can is concerned. A little DIY on throttle body cleaning and catchcan install coming soon

Thanks for listing the L-SB for the new service.
Old 09-27-11, 11:26 AM
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L-SB-0068-11
Can anyone post up this LSB so we can read it??
Old 09-27-11, 11:50 AM
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What do you guys think about this "catch can" thread?

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...catch-can.html
Old 09-27-11, 03:23 PM
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I think that "catch-can" thread is full of bad advice. The engine will continue to draw in oil vapor from the PCV as long as there is a + pressure differential between the crankcase and the point source for the PCV on the intake tract. The engine will create a venturi, drawing in vacuum from the intake pipe, and this will further increase the work done removing crankcase vapor from the block. The more ventilation you have in your block, the BETTER. If you plumb a catch can (with an integrated baffle system to cause the vapor to fall out of suspension) in between the engine and the vacuum source, it will collect the otherwise harmful vapor from entering your plenum and depositing / coaking on your valves and other engine parts.

Here is a picture of the catch can setup on my DSM
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The turbo creates a MASSIVE vacuum on the crankcase, and it actually increases horsepower, because the rings seat better, resulting in a more efficient power stroke due to the containment of the combustion.

The only thing I could do to better this setup, is to get a 2ndary catch can, and run it between the head and the intake manifold, with a check valve, so that under idle / cruise (off boost), the engine will see the benefit as well.

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Old 10-01-11, 02:45 PM
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any update on the new TSB....here im here south florida waiting for parts to come in. Thats what the rep said. I am curious as to what the "fix" is on our cars...the other TSB's dont fix the problem
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Don't know the tsb but just know that the piston rings are being replaced . My car is the ginnie pig at the dealer just dropped it off Saturday and they did not give me an estimated date on when to pick it up. They just said it would be over a week or two. I'll post up my sevice summary when I pick it up.
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Originally Posted by fjascione
any update on the new TSB....here im here south florida waiting for parts to come in. Thats what the rep said. I am curious as to what the "fix" is on our cars...the other TSB's dont fix the problem
Which dealership and are you still under warranty?
Old 10-02-11, 03:34 AM
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Say what. Free engine overhaul? lol

Someone post the TSIB please, i can't find it searching from the number already posted

I was just about to call the dealer tomorrow and let em know my cars been having the shaky/rough idle again just after 20k miles. But if there's a better fix for it now im interested!


Originally Posted by jay90011
Don't know the tsb but just know that the piston rings are being replaced . My car is the ginnie pig at the dealer just dropped it off Saturday and they did not give me an estimated date on when to pick it up. They just said it would be over a week or two. I'll post up my sevice summary when I pick it up.
Which dealer did you take yours too?
Old 10-02-11, 12:53 PM
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This new L-SB sounds weird.

New Piston rings to help with carbon buildup on intake valves?

Sounds like accupressure treatment to me. Fuzzy at best.


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