'06 IS250 AWD -It's time to say goodbye
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You may be correct that other manufacturers have the same problem, but I can only go by my experience which differs markedly from what you claim. My wife has a '07 BMW 535 xi w/67k miles. I had 89k miles on the Lexus before I traded it. Both cars are black, and there is absolutely no question that the Lexus has many more small pits and rock chips on the hood than the BMW--which has next to none. I'm not sure why, I only go by what I see. If I owned another Lexus, I would get a clear bra.
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>>>Sure, I could save money if I did the brakes myself. And I could save money if I sewed my own clothes and raised chickens in my back yard. <<<
This applies to people who can afford to. It was my assumption that you could not since you are grieving about it. I guess my ***-umption made an *** of me. Lol.
This applies to people who can afford to. It was my assumption that you could not since you are grieving about it. I guess my ***-umption made an *** of me. Lol.
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BMW used to have a reputation for outrageously expensive service and I suppose too many people complained, so guess what they now include all maintenance, including brakes, oil changes, etc for the first 60 thousand miles. When my wife recently had her brakes replaced on her BMW 5 series -the bill was ZERO, no charge. My point is if Lexus wants to be viewed as a premier brand, why can't they do the same here as BMW and not charge so much?
At least that was about how much more a comparably equipped 335i was compared to my 350 when I checked.
Oh and did I mention how that in addition to the $1500 brake job, how much Lexus charged for my 60 thousand mile service, an additional $1380.48. For that I got the following:
Fuel injector service: $100.00
Injector Cleaner: 33.95
Perform Throttle body service: 80.00
Spray 23.95
Induction Service 100.00
parts 33.95
shop supplies 18.95
sub total 390.80
Fuel injector service: $100.00
Injector Cleaner: 33.95
Perform Throttle body service: 80.00
Spray 23.95
Induction Service 100.00
parts 33.95
shop supplies 18.95
sub total 390.80
So again just one bill w/my Lexus for front and rear brakes and 60k service was $3085.08, while my wife's BMW cost for the entire 60 k miles was zero. Lexus is not such a good deal, especially when you add in all the maintenance cost for 5,10, 15, 30 k service, which will probably raise the total maintenance cost by at least another $2k- if you are interested in a true apples to apples comparison.
Plenty of folks have gotten a WHOLE LOT more than 30k miles out of a set of pads, let alone a set of rotors, on the 2IS... it's even weirder you'd need to replace both front and rear all 3 times too.
You probably didn't actually need brakes 3 times in 90k miles either... just like you didn't need the $400 in extra crap the dealer padded your 60k service with.
So you can't really blame Lexus because you paid for a lot of work you likely didn't need. You can blame your local dealer though, but as you say, that's his business model.
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I can't blame the guy for not going the Lexus route again considering his servicing dealership's reccomendations. BMW does offer a great service plan, but you better plan on selling it BEFORE the warranty is up.
I don't think the guy should be flamed for following the delerships reccomended services. Plus there are just some cars out of the hundreds of thousands of Lexus built that will have problems.
Infinitti is a great choice, just hope his service experience is a lot better. Hate to hear of anyone being taken advantage of whether they can afford it or not.
I don't think the guy should be flamed for following the delerships reccomended services. Plus there are just some cars out of the hundreds of thousands of Lexus built that will have problems.
Infinitti is a great choice, just hope his service experience is a lot better. Hate to hear of anyone being taken advantage of whether they can afford it or not.
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I can't blame the guy for not going the Lexus route again considering his servicing dealership's reccomendations. BMW does offer a great service plan, but you better plan on selling it BEFORE the warranty is up.
I don't think the guy should be flamed for following the delerships reccomended services. Plus there are just some cars out of the hundreds of thousands of Lexus built that will have problems.
Infinitti is a great choice, just hope his service experience is a lot better. Hate to hear of anyone being taken advantage of whether they can afford it or not.
I don't think the guy should be flamed for following the delerships reccomended services. Plus there are just some cars out of the hundreds of thousands of Lexus built that will have problems.
Infinitti is a great choice, just hope his service experience is a lot better. Hate to hear of anyone being taken advantage of whether they can afford it or not.
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. It's not about the money--I own five cars including 2 BMWs. It's about what's the best value for the money and whether I feel I can trust the brand and the dealers who perform work on my cars. In this instance, Lexus simply did not meet my expectations, while so far BMW has. Again, the companies follow different business models--sure I could challenge the dealer, read the manuals, check with three other dealers before getting work done, but I don't have the time or desire to to that.
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What you will see with the BMW service plan is during the time they cover the cost, it will be a bare bone oil change only, brakes when its worn thin and necessary service like most of us already are doing ourselves.
Once your four year plan is over, BMW will probably be asking you to change brake pads every major service, selling you $80 wiper blades and generally milking you dry lol
Once your four year plan is over, BMW will probably be asking you to change brake pads every major service, selling you $80 wiper blades and generally milking you dry lol
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brake clean? Pad Kit? fitting kit? Shim kit? grease ?
I just had all 4 rotors and pads replaced for around $400. Heres what my bill looked like:
Front Rotors $74.66
Front Pads $76.99 (ceramic, semi-ms are $40)
Rear Rotors $54.74
Rear Pads $76.99 (again, ceramic)
F Axle Labor $50.00
R Axle Labor $50.00
The lesson learned here is never go to a stealership for anything. The mechanic down the street will do a better job and won't rip you off
I just had all 4 rotors and pads replaced for around $400. Heres what my bill looked like:
Front Rotors $74.66
Front Pads $76.99 (ceramic, semi-ms are $40)
Rear Rotors $54.74
Rear Pads $76.99 (again, ceramic)
F Axle Labor $50.00
R Axle Labor $50.00
The lesson learned here is never go to a stealership for anything. The mechanic down the street will do a better job and won't rip you off
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I'm sorry i've read through every post in this thread and i'm starting to get frustrated. The OP "no offense" doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed. I'm sorry I know you'll take offense to it but if you can't stand up for yourself at the dealership then they will walk all over you and that's exactly what they did. you my friend threw away that money, it was not demanded of you. You don't have to be mecahnically inclined to save money. The moment the dealer told me they would charged me $1500 for the brakes, I would laugh and walk right out the door. However you probably had the work done first and asked questions later. This is my third IS, owned a 2008 IS250 AWD, sold it due to lack of power, bought a used 2006 IS350, sold it due to racking too many miles on it and and now i'm in used 2008 IS350 with 10,000 miles on it. I've reached 60,000 miles in my first 2 IS's and never paid so much for service. As a matter of fact the most I paid at once for service was $185 and that was for the replacement of my rear brakes at a local reputable shop. You don't have to bring it to the dealer, they won't do a better job than your local shop. You can't say it's because of the loaner the dealer will provide you because you have 5 cars "supposedly". You just got rapped plan and simple and now your saying Lexus is not meeting your expectations. You just don't know how to save money, did you buy your house for the price listed or buy your car for MSRP or did you shop around and haggle? Stupidity just irrates me. Sorry for my rant but i'm only 27 but i'm thankful i've learned this lesson early on in life. Hopefully you can learn it from this point forward.