2014 LEXUS IS Official Debut Discussion (merged threads)
01-12-13, 03:47 PM
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Lexus needs to realize that eventually, they will have to do some sort of column mounted shifter so that the remote touch and cup holders have a spot. You just cant have remote touch, cup holders, and shifter all in the same area.
the best location for cup holders if they really want al three would be in front of the shifter underneath the dash
the best location for cup holders if they really want al three would be in front of the shifter underneath the dash
It wasn't inspired by the Avalon
either. Mind you I HATE exposed cupholders. I'll have to sit in the car myself but Lexus has always had very smart interiors so they must figure its for a reason. Or the IS is that much of a drivers car so **** drinks
01-12-13, 04:00 PM
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01-12-13, 04:32 PM
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i hog front armrest anyway, it is not as if IS is a huge car so you can have two hands on it.
01-12-13, 04:33 PM
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Odd, all the other Lexus with remote touch are fine. It wasn't inspired by the Avalon either.
Mind you I HATE exposed cupholders. I'll have to sit in the car myself but Lexus has always had very smart interiors so they must figure its for a reason. Or the IS is that much of a drivers car so **** drinks
It wasn't inspired by the Avalon either. Mind you I HATE exposed cupholders. I'll have to sit in the car myself but Lexus has always had very smart interiors so they must figure its for a reason. Or the IS is that much of a drivers car so **** drinks
01-12-13, 04:43 PM
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That's just you. Many people actually have passengers whose comfort they care about. Not being able to please one's significant other during a test drive may just be enough to kill a deal.
There certainly is enough room for two elbows in the IS. I mean, if you consider the current implementation of the 3IS's armrest to be adequate for the driver, why wouldn't replacing the cupholders with another half of the armrest be adequate for the passenger as well? Just take a look at any other car in the IS's class.
i hog front armrest anyway, it is not as if IS is a huge car so you can have two hands on it.
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01-12-13, 05:18 PM
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That's just you. Many people actually have passengers whose comfort they care about. Not being able to please one's significant other during a test drive may just be enough to kill a deal.There certainly is enough room for two elbows in the IS. I mean, if you consider the current implementation of the 3IS's armrest to be adequate for the driver, why wouldn't replacing the cupholders with another half of the armrest be adequate for the passenger as well? Just take a look at any other car in the IS's class.
New interior is a lot nicer and also more functional than my top end 2IS that i drive every day, including dual cup holders.
Ask any real 2IS owner and >90% will say they like it a lot better this way.
It is drivers cabin, no apologies.
01-12-13, 06:19 PM
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I've thoroughly examined all the Lexus designs in person since L-Finesse debuted, and I have a good idea of what this will look like in person. I know for a fact pictures are not conveying all the subtle details that will come together very cohesively in person.
Nice strawman argument there.
Shall we do a survey? How about we bet on it? I bet that most critics of the design here on CL are over 35, while most who like the design are under 35.
Yes, and this may not age well after all, we don't know yet. However this is the F-Sport model, not the regular IS. The regular IS will be more toned down in look.
This reminds me a lot of the 1IS when it debuted. The radical "Altezza" taillights that Lexus pioneered with that car made the car polarizing when it first came out, but I would say it has aged pretty well. Even the 2GS when it debuted, with it's quad taillights and quad headlights, it was pretty bold and daring styling at the time. Did the 2GS age poorly? I would say it has aged very well also.
Not meaning to be rude at all to any drifters, but I know of some skilled drifters myself, and none of them have problems with foot parking brakes.
Quoted for truth 
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Exactly, very well put 
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Lexus for a time went through quite a "bland" phase, and tried to appeal to everybody. Now Lexus has awoken to so speak, and the TRUE Japanese spirit of Lexus is easily seen in their new designs. It's not for everyone, but the designs are true in their spirit, and they are distinctively Lexus.
Going back to the 1990s, the 1SC, 1IS and 2GS weren't for everyone either, and still aren't for everyone. However they all became popular cars, and now they have loyal cult followings for each of the models.
Myself and several others said the Sonata looks like a Lexus, not the other way around. And it still does .
Nice strawman argument there
.Shall we do a survey? How about we bet on it? I bet that most critics of the design here on CL are over 35, while most who like the design are under 35.
This reminds me a lot of the 1IS when it debuted. The radical "Altezza" taillights that Lexus pioneered with that car made the car polarizing when it first came out, but I would say it has aged pretty well. Even the 2GS when it debuted, with it's quad taillights and quad headlights, it was pretty bold and daring styling at the time. Did the 2GS age poorly? I would say it has aged very well also.
Not meaning to be rude at all to any drifters, but I know of some skilled drifters myself, and none of them have problems with foot parking brakes.
I have been around Lexus forums a long time, not as long as Blueprint and the crew obviously, but the story is always the same.
1. New model is coming out, people post pages upon pages of all the things they hope it will be, want it to be, etc. The vast majority of those things are completely unrealistic.
2. Pictures get leaked, invariably right before the big reveal.
3. Everybody freaks out, "OMG, its so hideous, Lexus has shot themselves in the foot with this one, I would never trade my 1991 ES250 in on that thing", "thank God we have our *insert previous generation of aforementioned model here*, we better keep them forever because Lexus will never build another car that we want to drive". "My car is the epitome of everything Lexus could have designed, if they would just make the new car look more like my car, it'd be hot."
4. People do all kinds of photoshops to make the car look like what they wished it looked like. Most look horrible...some look surprisingly good.
5. People see the car in person...and it looks better than in pictures. The honest folks will post this. Bedlam ensues, people get banned, moderators turn on moderators.
6. The model comes out and...people buy it. It sells better than the previous model!
7. A new subforum pops up, full of happy next generation owners and the community prospers.
And it all happens again...and again...and again. Don't believe me? Read the thread in every subforum about every new version of a model that comes out.
It'll be fine guys, trust me!
1. New model is coming out, people post pages upon pages of all the things they hope it will be, want it to be, etc. The vast majority of those things are completely unrealistic.
2. Pictures get leaked, invariably right before the big reveal.
3. Everybody freaks out, "OMG, its so hideous, Lexus has shot themselves in the foot with this one, I would never trade my 1991 ES250 in on that thing", "thank God we have our *insert previous generation of aforementioned model here*, we better keep them forever because Lexus will never build another car that we want to drive". "My car is the epitome of everything Lexus could have designed, if they would just make the new car look more like my car, it'd be hot."
4. People do all kinds of photoshops to make the car look like what they wished it looked like. Most look horrible...some look surprisingly good.
5. People see the car in person...and it looks better than in pictures. The honest folks will post this. Bedlam ensues, people get banned, moderators turn on moderators.
6. The model comes out and...people buy it. It sells better than the previous model!
7. A new subforum pops up, full of happy next generation owners and the community prospers.
And it all happens again...and again...and again. Don't believe me? Read the thread in every subforum about every new version of a model that comes out.
It'll be fine guys, trust me!
.Yep! And look at you and all the generations of Lexus you've owned. A brand has got to evolve, and Lexus has always lacked a "look"...and now they have it. Its not for everybody, but something thats distinctive never is. Things that are for everybody are boring and bland, Lexus spent too many years trying to appeal to everybody.
Just yesterday my GS was parked in a lot backed in and as I was walking up to it from the front I thought to myself "Man, I can't believe I thought that car was ugly...what a beautiful car"
Pffft...the discussion about the new GS was EXACTLY like this discussion here. I remember when the China pictures were leaked about the new ES. I remember when the '07 ES was leaked. EXACTLY the same discussion, with exactly the same discussion of how Lexus had shot themselves in the foot, and that the new model couldn't possibly sell as well as the old model. I remember the same when the 3GS came out. Hell...people STILL say that about the LS460 vs the LS430, and the LS460 has sold far better than the 430 ever did.
New ES is doing great, new GS is doing great, new LS is doing great...the new IS will do great. Opposed to what some people would say, being the #1 in sales in a segment is not the only definition of success.
Just yesterday my GS was parked in a lot backed in and as I was walking up to it from the front I thought to myself "Man, I can't believe I thought that car was ugly...what a beautiful car"
Pffft...the discussion about the new GS was EXACTLY like this discussion here. I remember when the China pictures were leaked about the new ES. I remember when the '07 ES was leaked. EXACTLY the same discussion, with exactly the same discussion of how Lexus had shot themselves in the foot, and that the new model couldn't possibly sell as well as the old model. I remember the same when the 3GS came out. Hell...people STILL say that about the LS460 vs the LS430, and the LS460 has sold far better than the 430 ever did.
New ES is doing great, new GS is doing great, new LS is doing great...the new IS will do great. Opposed to what some people would say, being the #1 in sales in a segment is not the only definition of success.
.Lexus for a time went through quite a "bland" phase, and tried to appeal to everybody. Now Lexus has awoken to so speak, and the TRUE Japanese spirit of Lexus is easily seen in their new designs. It's not for everyone, but the designs are true in their spirit, and they are distinctively Lexus.
Going back to the 1990s, the 1SC, 1IS and 2GS weren't for everyone either, and still aren't for everyone. However they all became popular cars, and now they have loyal cult followings for each of the models.
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01-12-13, 07:10 PM
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01-12-13, 07:20 PM
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i just came back from 6 hour trip in my 2IS... I am pretty sure I know what i am talking about. It is not comfortable to have two arms there, they rub and it never happens in the end. If you want, they can put their arm in new 3IS, it has soft plastic around it but again, nobody does it.
New interior is a lot nicer and also more functional than my top end 2IS that i drive every day, including dual cup holders.
Ask any real 2IS owner and >90% will say they like it a lot better this way.
It is drivers cabin, no apologies.
New interior is a lot nicer and also more functional than my top end 2IS that i drive every day, including dual cup holders.
Ask any real 2IS owner and >90% will say they like it a lot better this way.
It is drivers cabin, no apologies.
the exterior is another story.
01-12-13, 08:14 PM
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So where does the front license plate get mounted? Is that really the official grille? Look at these photos from Motor Trend. It looks like a 2 piece grill on the cars they tested.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_first_drive/
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_first_drive/
01-12-13, 08:27 PM
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01-12-13, 08:29 PM
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So where does the front license plate get mounted? Is that really the official grille? Look at these photos from Motor Trend. It looks like a 2 piece grill on the cars they tested.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_first_drive/
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_first_drive/