Help Me Decide - IS350 F-Sport v. 335x or Q50S Hybrid
#16
I cross-shopped all of those vehicles before I leased a IS350 F Sport.
The 335 (m sport) is a superior vehicle and the margin between a Japanese/American and German vehicles is still quite large IMO.
But here I am on a Lexus forum with a Lexus. The payment I have with my IS350 is very reasonable and low enough that I can accept not driving the BMW or Audi for the next year of my lease. Back to Audi/BMW/Mercedes after that though.
Ownership Experience (5200 miles):
Comfort is great, handles poor roads well for a sports sedan. Seats are excellent, probably my favorite part of the vehicle. The entertainment system is terrible, much worse than the idrive system. I don't even bother trying to use NAV, and even the bluetooth doesn't work now. Understeers like crazy on the track, but is very easy to drive and have fun with. 8 speed transmission is ok, but not nearly as nice as the BMW's. Engine is lacking power, needs more torque down low (insert BMW here). Tons and tons of other observations I could list, but most are already listed in previous threads.
The 335 (m sport) is a superior vehicle and the margin between a Japanese/American and German vehicles is still quite large IMO.
But here I am on a Lexus forum with a Lexus. The payment I have with my IS350 is very reasonable and low enough that I can accept not driving the BMW or Audi for the next year of my lease. Back to Audi/BMW/Mercedes after that though.
Ownership Experience (5200 miles):
Comfort is great, handles poor roads well for a sports sedan. Seats are excellent, probably my favorite part of the vehicle. The entertainment system is terrible, much worse than the idrive system. I don't even bother trying to use NAV, and even the bluetooth doesn't work now. Understeers like crazy on the track, but is very easy to drive and have fun with. 8 speed transmission is ok, but not nearly as nice as the BMW's. Engine is lacking power, needs more torque down low (insert BMW here). Tons and tons of other observations I could list, but most are already listed in previous threads.
I like (and dislike) the same things about my IS350 F-Sport. If Lexus can figure out how to dramatically increase the torque in the next model, I'll consider another. If not, I'll be back in a 335 or S4.
Looking at numbers is deceiving. The numbers say that the IS350 is only down on torque by a small margin. But the key is the RPMs at which max torque is available. With the IS, you have to take it up to 4,800 RPMs to generate max torque. But in the 335, max torque arrives much lower so it feels much quicker off the line. Most of my driving is in the city and I really miss the low-end grunt of the 335.
#17
I crossed shopped the ATS, Q50S Hybrid, TLX and the A/S3 before picking the IS350 F. Q50S Hybrid has stronger power. The car pushes you back in your seat when you floor it on the freeway. But I felt like I was driving a big car - steering and interior was what made me feel this way. It just didn't feel as athletic/nimble to me during my test drive, and the interior was strangely too big. The IS automatically made me feel like a better driver, it felt sporty and planted. I do think this is because of the steering and overall size of the interior. Also... - Driver aid/safety/feature standpoint, the Q50 is better equipped. There's just more you can get (but you have to pay for it too). - Exterior I do like the Q50- those headlights/front look pretty mean, and the car looks wide which is nice. Side profile is okay (carries the G theme). - Interior: only okay. It's definitely a bigger car inside - the IS is small - its airy and probably more comfortable for 5 (better cup holder placement!). But the design is nothing special. It just feels less designed compared to the IS. IS is sporty, fresh (get that Rioja Red!) and has a modern style. - Quality/ Reliability: it's a Toyota! Lexus has done a great job with materials/fit/finish. My G35 sedan never felt that special inside (some trim pieces never fit right), and had some mechanical problems probably about 7-8 yrs into its life. Hoping the IS does better. - Resale: Hands down, the IS/Lexus brand trumps the Infiniti. I did a KBB on comparable spec/mileage G35/IS, and I think the IS was about 30-40% higher in value compared to the G35. I had/have a G35 sedan for 13 years now. That was a great car for the time, but the Q50 doesn't seem to have stepped into those shoes very well. It isn't a drivers car - not as sporty, but instead feels more on the luxury end. So if you're into sports vs luxury, and the other factors are important to you, I highly recommend the IS350 F-sport!
#18
I was excited about the Eau Rouge (what a beast!) as that meant the learnings could trickle down to sportier (but less than $100k) consumer versions (ie M3/4 version). But they killed that so there may be little hope.
#19
The styling of the Q50 does not appeal to me, though my coworker has one (not a hybrid) and is very happy with it. The only reason why I'd get a 3 series is the availability of a manual transmission, which may indeed be enough to sway me on a future purchase.
I'm happy with my IS purchase, though a refreshed GS may also be in my future. We'll see...
I'm happy with my IS purchase, though a refreshed GS may also be in my future. We'll see...
#21
I cross-shopped all of those vehicles before I leased a IS350 F Sport.
The 335 (m sport) is a superior vehicle and the margin between a Japanese/American and German vehicles is still quite large IMO. Maybe I'm biased because I've had BMW's in the past, but I truly think they're better enthusiast cars IF equipped right. I also think the 335 (m sport) is the most beautiful of all the comparable sedans. The ATS was not even close, and the Q50S is a nice car but the steering was strange. Infiniti did a good job with the Q50 and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to the appropriate shopper.
But here I am on a Lexus forum with a Lexus. The payment I have with my IS350 is very reasonable and low enough that I can accept not driving the BMW or Audi for the next year of my lease. Back to Audi/BMW/Mercedes after that though.
Ownership Experience (5200 miles):
Comfort is great, handles poor roads well for a sports sedan. Seats are excellent, probably my favorite part of the vehicle. The entertainment system is terrible, much worse than the idrive system. I don't even bother trying to use NAV, and even the bluetooth doesn't work now. Understeers like crazy on the track, but is very easy to drive and have fun with. 8 speed transmission is ok, but not nearly as nice as the BMW's. Engine is lacking power, needs more torque down low (insert BMW here). Tons and tons of other observations I could list, but most are already listed in previous threads.
Best of luck!
The 335 (m sport) is a superior vehicle and the margin between a Japanese/American and German vehicles is still quite large IMO. Maybe I'm biased because I've had BMW's in the past, but I truly think they're better enthusiast cars IF equipped right. I also think the 335 (m sport) is the most beautiful of all the comparable sedans. The ATS was not even close, and the Q50S is a nice car but the steering was strange. Infiniti did a good job with the Q50 and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to the appropriate shopper.
But here I am on a Lexus forum with a Lexus. The payment I have with my IS350 is very reasonable and low enough that I can accept not driving the BMW or Audi for the next year of my lease. Back to Audi/BMW/Mercedes after that though.
Ownership Experience (5200 miles):
Comfort is great, handles poor roads well for a sports sedan. Seats are excellent, probably my favorite part of the vehicle. The entertainment system is terrible, much worse than the idrive system. I don't even bother trying to use NAV, and even the bluetooth doesn't work now. Understeers like crazy on the track, but is very easy to drive and have fun with. 8 speed transmission is ok, but not nearly as nice as the BMW's. Engine is lacking power, needs more torque down low (insert BMW here). Tons and tons of other observations I could list, but most are already listed in previous threads.
Best of luck!
You'd have to pay me to drive a regular 3 series again, and I'm not super inclined to drop $75k on an M3/4 with a turbo in it, so, I guess I'm done with BMWs.
Dealerships suck.
Maintenance sucks.
Interior rattle sucks.
Tires suck.
Plastic everything on mechanicals, sucks.
I could go on. For a lease you don't care so much I guess, but it's infuriating to have your 80k 550i at the dealer for two weeks waiting on a drive shaft and they give you a faux leather 1 Series. At least the loaners at Lexus are nice inside.
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