New Generation IS
03-28-18, 10:39 AM
#76
Lexus Test Driver
As for the Lexus IS300/350 having at least 350HP is up in the air. I honestly believe the Lexus IS300 will remain the same with the same HP/TQ from the Turbo 4 because they literally just introduced in 2016. I'm basing that on the fact that Lexus milked the IS250 with the same HP for 10 years. The Lexus IS350 might receive a detuned version of the Lexus LS' TTV6. If they do make that happen, I'm expecting it to range from 311HP-350HP.
As much as I would love the Lexus to have a TTV6 pushing 350HP, the reasonable person inside me is telling Lexus won't do that. I think they won't because in terms of business - they simply just don't need to. Like you said prior, majority of sales of the IS is the entry-level IS (250/200T/300). Its always been that way. Also - they just put the 2GR-FKS into the Lexus IS350 and that engine is fairly new (introduced in 2016). Another reason I believe that they won't do a 350HP IS350 is that the current engine is making the IS350 compete pretty well against the competition. IE: The Lexus IS350 performs better than the 2018 Audi A4 Quattro, 2018 Mercedes Benz C300 and 2018 Acura TLX. It ties with the 2018 BMW 330i. And its slower than the 2018 Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport. This is also the reason why I think they are in no rush to do a redesign for the Lexus IS quickly either. They might even milk the Lexus IS till 2021 for a redesign because sedan sales are low. This is not a far-fetch idea because the 2nd generation Lexus IS has 8 year models as well.
What I'm kinda hoping for is a Lexus IS400 or something - a Lexus in the 50K+ range with a TTV6 making 400HP. They can use this car to compete with the Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport, BMW 340i, and Mercedes Benz C43 AMG. You know, a car that's cheaper and a tier down of the more expensive RC-F. Similar to how the C43 AMG is a tier down of the C63 AMG. 340i to the M4. etc...
Off topic: Audi's are nice. I considered the 2018 Audi A4 when it released. However, what turned me down from it was Audi could have done more much more but didn't. There are a lot of EU features on the car we don't get in the states - self parking being one of them and wireless charging being two of them. In my opinion (I don't mean any offense if you are getting an A4), the 2018 Audi A4 for being a newly designed MY, they barely have more features than a Lexus IS350 which is 4 years old now. I believe what they have more than the Lexus IS350 is: HUD, power-folding mirrors, 360 camera, and sequential turn signals. I didn't include the Audi Virtual cockpit because Lexus' LFA Gauges closely related to it. While it sucks Lexus LFA Gauges lacks customization, I think LFA Gauges graphics are better and its more virtually appealing than the Cockpit. If the Audi A4 is built to the same price as the Lexus IS350, the Audi A4 lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor things. I find it shocking that a newly design MY018 Audi A4 didn't dominate the Lexus IS350 in terms of features.
For sure - a B8 Audi S4 would be a good buy if you don't look at long-term maintenance cost. Have you considered the B8.5 (facelifted) S4?
Last edited by BippuLexus; 03-28-18 at 10:44 AM.
03-28-18, 11:37 AM
#78
Lexus Test Driver
I was thinking that too. I was thinking they could make the IS bigger to have this new car replace the IS and GS. Sorta like what Acura did to the TSX and TL - made it the TLX.
As for the Lexus IS300/350 having at least 350HP is up in the air. I honestly believe the Lexus IS300 will remain the same with the same HP/TQ from the Turbo 4 because they literally just introduced in 2016. I'm basing that on the fact that Lexus milked the IS250 with the same HP for 10 years. The Lexus IS350 might receive a detuned version of the Lexus LS' TTV6. If they do make that happen, I'm expecting it to range from 311HP-350HP.
As much as I would love the Lexus to have a TTV6 pushing 350HP, the reasonable person inside me is telling Lexus won't do that. I think they won't because in terms of business - they simply just don't need to. Like you said prior, majority of sales of the IS is the entry-level IS (250/200T/300). Its always been that way. Also - they just put the 2GR-FKS into the Lexus IS350 and that engine is fairly new (introduced in 2016). Another reason I believe that they won't do a 350HP IS350 is that the current engine is making the IS350 compete pretty well against the competition. IE: The Lexus IS350 performs better than the 2018 Audi A4 Quattro, 2018 Mercedes Benz C300 and 2018 Acura TLX. It ties with the 2018 BMW 330i. And its slower than the 2018 Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport. This is also the reason why I think they are in no rush to do a redesign for the Lexus IS quickly either. They might even milk the Lexus IS till 2021 for a redesign because sedan sales are low. This is not a far-fetch idea because the 2nd generation Lexus IS has 8 year models as well.
What I'm kinda hoping for is a Lexus IS400 or something - a Lexus in the 50K+ range with a TTV6 making 400HP. They can use this car to compete with the Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport, BMW 340i, and Mercedes Benz C43 AMG. You know, a car that's cheaper and a tier down of the more expensive RC-F. Similar to how the C43 AMG is a tier down of the C63 AMG. 340i to the M4. etc...
Off topic: Audi's are nice. I considered the 2018 Audi A4 when it released. However, what turned me down from it was Audi could have done more much more but didn't. There are a lot of EU features on the car we don't get in the states - self parking being one of them and wireless charging being two of them. In my opinion (I don't mean any offense if you are getting an A4), the 2018 Audi A4 for being a newly designed MY, they barely have more features than a Lexus IS350 which is 4 years old now. I believe what they have more than the Lexus IS350 is: HUD, power-folding mirrors, 360 camera, and sequential turn signals. I didn't include the Audi Virtual cockpit because Lexus' LFA Gauges closely related to it. While it sucks Lexus LFA Gauges lacks customization, I think LFA Gauges graphics are better and its more virtually appealing than the Cockpit. If the Audi A4 is built to the same price as the Lexus IS350, the Audi A4 lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor things. I find it shocking that a newly design MY018 Audi A4 didn't dominate the Lexus IS350 in terms of features.
For sure - a B8 Audi S4 would be a good buy if you don't look at long-term maintenance cost. Have you considered the B8.5 (facelifted) S4?
As for the Lexus IS300/350 having at least 350HP is up in the air. I honestly believe the Lexus IS300 will remain the same with the same HP/TQ from the Turbo 4 because they literally just introduced in 2016. I'm basing that on the fact that Lexus milked the IS250 with the same HP for 10 years. The Lexus IS350 might receive a detuned version of the Lexus LS' TTV6. If they do make that happen, I'm expecting it to range from 311HP-350HP.
As much as I would love the Lexus to have a TTV6 pushing 350HP, the reasonable person inside me is telling Lexus won't do that. I think they won't because in terms of business - they simply just don't need to. Like you said prior, majority of sales of the IS is the entry-level IS (250/200T/300). Its always been that way. Also - they just put the 2GR-FKS into the Lexus IS350 and that engine is fairly new (introduced in 2016). Another reason I believe that they won't do a 350HP IS350 is that the current engine is making the IS350 compete pretty well against the competition. IE: The Lexus IS350 performs better than the 2018 Audi A4 Quattro, 2018 Mercedes Benz C300 and 2018 Acura TLX. It ties with the 2018 BMW 330i. And its slower than the 2018 Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport. This is also the reason why I think they are in no rush to do a redesign for the Lexus IS quickly either. They might even milk the Lexus IS till 2021 for a redesign because sedan sales are low. This is not a far-fetch idea because the 2nd generation Lexus IS has 8 year models as well.
What I'm kinda hoping for is a Lexus IS400 or something - a Lexus in the 50K+ range with a TTV6 making 400HP. They can use this car to compete with the Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport, BMW 340i, and Mercedes Benz C43 AMG. You know, a car that's cheaper and a tier down of the more expensive RC-F. Similar to how the C43 AMG is a tier down of the C63 AMG. 340i to the M4. etc...
Off topic: Audi's are nice. I considered the 2018 Audi A4 when it released. However, what turned me down from it was Audi could have done more much more but didn't. There are a lot of EU features on the car we don't get in the states - self parking being one of them and wireless charging being two of them. In my opinion (I don't mean any offense if you are getting an A4), the 2018 Audi A4 for being a newly designed MY, they barely have more features than a Lexus IS350 which is 4 years old now. I believe what they have more than the Lexus IS350 is: HUD, power-folding mirrors, 360 camera, and sequential turn signals. I didn't include the Audi Virtual cockpit because Lexus' LFA Gauges closely related to it. While it sucks Lexus LFA Gauges lacks customization, I think LFA Gauges graphics are better and its more virtually appealing than the Cockpit. If the Audi A4 is built to the same price as the Lexus IS350, the Audi A4 lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor things. I find it shocking that a newly design MY018 Audi A4 didn't dominate the Lexus IS350 in terms of features.
For sure - a B8 Audi S4 would be a good buy if you don't look at long-term maintenance cost. Have you considered the B8.5 (facelifted) S4?
03-28-18, 12:20 PM
#79
I want to buy an Is350 but I want it to have car play so that means waiting till 2019 model but I also want heads up display. I wonder if Lexus will incorporate both those options for 2019?
03-28-18, 12:24 PM
#80
Lexus Champion
I would say maybe on CarPlay but I strongly doubt they will add HUD. The IS has never had it.
03-28-18, 01:56 PM
#81
You have to remember though - while the Lexus IS350 did come out in 2005 for MY06, the Lexus was only the "leader" of the class for 1 year. This was only happened because the 2005 Lexus IS350 came out a year earlier and was competing with the cars (V35 G/330i) that was meant to compete with the 1st gen Lexus IS300. When the 07 G35 and 07 335i released in 2006, the cars that actually compete with the 2005 Lexus IS350, the Lexus IS350 was de-throned as a solid number 1. This is why I shuffled the Lexus to compete with the V36 G and 335i. It just made more sense. Going on that point - I kept it simple and just looked at the MotorTrend reported times of the Lexus IS350, G35 and 335i. All times reported by MotorTrend suggest the Lexus is slowest of the 3 with BMW 335i being the fastest.
Neither the IS350, G37 and 335i were able to hit 0-60 in the high 4s. It was the low 5s.
Neither the IS350, G37 and 335i were able to hit 0-60 in the high 4s. It was the low 5s.
Temperature, humidity, surface conditions, etc. all play a factor with test results. MotorTrend may not have had a good run with the IS350 but Road and Track did with a recorded 0-60 time of 4.9 secs and a 1/4 mile time of 13.5 secs.
There's plenty of YouTube videos of stock 2nd Gen IS350s regularly hitting 0-60 times in the mid/high 4 second range and 1/4 mile times in the 13.2-13.5 sec range. The 335i has the edge in the 1/4 mile but the G37 and 2nd Gen IS350 are pretty much neck and neck in straight line performance
Last edited by TsunamiF; 03-28-18 at 02:00 PM.
03-28-18, 03:35 PM
#83
Lexus Test Driver
I got a top of the line IS350 F sport with almost every package so a really well equipped S4 will cost about $10k more. I'm willing to pay up to that so if the Gen 4 has 350hp and is in the range of $60k, i may opt for that. If not, the S4 sure does sound like a great deal. I think its the best in class for a sports sedan that's top of the line (but not hotted up M / RS / F / AMG variety). I still think the IS350 F sport is a hard car to beat for $50k as it comes well equipped and the handling is near top of class. Its getting long in the tooth for tech though.
In my opinion, I don't think the tech in the IS350 is that bad and its still highly competitive. Going to back what I said prior - the 2018 Audi A4's only advantages over the 2018 Lexus IS350 is HUD, 360 Camera, power-folding mirrors and sequential turn signals. And measuring them at the same price point - the Audi A4 lacks lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor tech features, which the Lexus IS350 has. On top of that, the Lexus IS350 still tops it in performance and handling. So with the price set at 50K for both cars, both vehicles has features/tech the other one don't have. This is why I think the Lexus IS350 is still highly competitive because its 4 years old now and its still pretty modern compared to a 2018 Audi A4. This is also why I thought Audi made a mistake and should have made the A4 more tech-loaded. They should have added the self-parking and wireless charging from the EU-Spec models.
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/15/1...s-detroit-2018
Side note: Android Auto isn't making its way into Toyota/Lexus because Toyota is beefing with Google over shared data. Only Apple Carplay on future Toyota/Lexus models.
I'm not 100% sure about HUD but I would say no. The Lexus IS will probably get the HUD in the 4th generation, which probably comes out for MY2020 or MY2021 - depending on when the GS releases.
^If you don't mind me asking, why do you want a HUD unit? Just curious. Here's my opinions on HUD: I think its redundant and unnecessary tech, especially with Lexus' huge 10.3 inch infotainment screen. Lexus' 10.3 screen is huge and its right about eye-level. If I was car shopping and I had an opportunity to OPT out of having a HUD to save money, I would. Similarity - I would not want a HUD on an Audi either. Audi Virtual Cockpit + HUD is pretty redundant and unnecessary as well. Chances are - you'll be looking at the Virtual Cockpit and Lexus' 10.3 screen more often than the HUD.
Its likely the IS350 won't change at all in 2019 so my advice would be buy a Lexus IS350 now if you really want one. I think the 17+ Lexus IS are killer must buys, outta all the Lexus IS models, because they all have engine upgrades and the car overall looks more modern with the 10.3" display.
My analysis of the 2nd Gen IS350 and it being a driver's race with the G37 and 335i wasn't inaccurate.
Temperature, humidity, surface conditions, etc. all play a factor with test results. MotorTrend may not have had a good run with the IS350 but Road and Track did with a recorded 0-60 time of 4.9 secs and a 1/4 mile time of 13.5 secs.
There's plenty of YouTube videos of stock 2nd Gen IS350s regularly hitting 0-60 times in the mid/high 4 second range and 1/4 mile times in the 13.2-13.5 sec range. The 335i has the edge in the 1/4 mile but the G37 and 2nd Gen IS350 are pretty much neck and neck in straight line performance
Temperature, humidity, surface conditions, etc. all play a factor with test results. MotorTrend may not have had a good run with the IS350 but Road and Track did with a recorded 0-60 time of 4.9 secs and a 1/4 mile time of 13.5 secs.
There's plenty of YouTube videos of stock 2nd Gen IS350s regularly hitting 0-60 times in the mid/high 4 second range and 1/4 mile times in the 13.2-13.5 sec range. The 335i has the edge in the 1/4 mile but the G37 and 2nd Gen IS350 are pretty much neck and neck in straight line performance
Ahh. I didn't know there were YouTube videos on this. I never watched them. I always knew the Lexus IS350 from the late 2000s are fast because of aggressive gearing ratios. But - I didn't know they can achieve 4.9s 0-60.
I think if you look at BMW, Infiniti and Lexus entry-level cars, they still remain the same status quo. The BMW 340i has gotten so fast it doesn't even compete with the IS350 anymore. So the Lexus IS350 competes with the 330i and Infiniti Q50 3.0T now. Looking at these 3 cars today - its still a driver's race. What Lexus needs is a Lexus IS400 to compete with the 340i, C43 AMG and Infiniti Q50 3.0T RS.
03-28-18, 04:53 PM
#84
I was thinking that too. I was thinking they could make the IS bigger to have this new car replace the IS and GS. Sorta like what Acura did to the TSX and TL - made it the TLX.
As for the Lexus IS300/350 having at least 350HP is up in the air. I honestly believe the Lexus IS300 will remain the same with the same HP/TQ from the Turbo 4 because they literally just introduced in 2016. I'm basing that on the fact that Lexus milked the IS250 with the same HP for 10 years. The Lexus IS350 might receive a detuned version of the Lexus LS' TTV6. If they do make that happen, I'm expecting it to range from 311HP-350HP.
As much as I would love the Lexus to have a TTV6 pushing 350HP, the reasonable person inside me is telling Lexus won't do that. I think they won't because in terms of business - they simply just don't need to. Like you said prior, majority of sales of the IS is the entry-level IS (250/200T/300). Its always been that way. Also - they just put the 2GR-FKS into the Lexus IS350 and that engine is fairly new (introduced in 2016). Another reason I believe that they won't do a 350HP IS350 is that the current engine is making the IS350 compete pretty well against the competition. IE: The Lexus IS350 performs better than the 2018 Audi A4 Quattro, 2018 Mercedes Benz C300 and 2018 Acura TLX. It ties with the 2018 BMW 330i. And its slower than the 2018 Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport. This is also the reason why I think they are in no rush to do a redesign for the Lexus IS quickly either. They might even milk the Lexus IS till 2021 for a redesign because sedan sales are low. This is not a far-fetch idea because the 2nd generation Lexus IS has 8 year models as well.
What I'm kinda hoping for is a Lexus IS400 or something - a Lexus in the 50K+ range with a TTV6 making 400HP. They can use this car to compete with the Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport, BMW 340i, and Mercedes Benz C43 AMG. You know, a car that's cheaper and a tier down of the more expensive RC-F. Similar to how the C43 AMG is a tier down of the C63 AMG. 340i to the M4. etc...
Off topic: Audi's are nice. I considered the 2018 Audi A4 when it released. However, what turned me down from it was Audi could have done more much more but didn't. There are a lot of EU features on the car we don't get in the states - self parking being one of them and wireless charging being two of them. In my opinion (I don't mean any offense if you are getting an A4), the 2018 Audi A4 for being a newly designed MY, they barely have more features than a Lexus IS350 which is 4 years old now. I believe what they have more than the Lexus IS350 is: HUD, power-folding mirrors, 360 camera, and sequential turn signals. I didn't include the Audi Virtual cockpit because Lexus' LFA Gauges closely related to it. While it sucks Lexus LFA Gauges lacks customization, I think LFA Gauges graphics are better and its more virtually appealing than the Cockpit. If the Audi A4 is built to the same price as the Lexus IS350, the Audi A4 lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor things. I find it shocking that a newly design MY018 Audi A4 didn't dominate the Lexus IS350 in terms of features.
For sure - a B8 Audi S4 would be a good buy if you don't look at long-term maintenance cost. Have you considered the B8.5 (facelifted) S4?
As for the Lexus IS300/350 having at least 350HP is up in the air. I honestly believe the Lexus IS300 will remain the same with the same HP/TQ from the Turbo 4 because they literally just introduced in 2016. I'm basing that on the fact that Lexus milked the IS250 with the same HP for 10 years. The Lexus IS350 might receive a detuned version of the Lexus LS' TTV6. If they do make that happen, I'm expecting it to range from 311HP-350HP.
As much as I would love the Lexus to have a TTV6 pushing 350HP, the reasonable person inside me is telling Lexus won't do that. I think they won't because in terms of business - they simply just don't need to. Like you said prior, majority of sales of the IS is the entry-level IS (250/200T/300). Its always been that way. Also - they just put the 2GR-FKS into the Lexus IS350 and that engine is fairly new (introduced in 2016). Another reason I believe that they won't do a 350HP IS350 is that the current engine is making the IS350 compete pretty well against the competition. IE: The Lexus IS350 performs better than the 2018 Audi A4 Quattro, 2018 Mercedes Benz C300 and 2018 Acura TLX. It ties with the 2018 BMW 330i. And its slower than the 2018 Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport. This is also the reason why I think they are in no rush to do a redesign for the Lexus IS quickly either. They might even milk the Lexus IS till 2021 for a redesign because sedan sales are low. This is not a far-fetch idea because the 2nd generation Lexus IS has 8 year models as well.
What I'm kinda hoping for is a Lexus IS400 or something - a Lexus in the 50K+ range with a TTV6 making 400HP. They can use this car to compete with the Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport, BMW 340i, and Mercedes Benz C43 AMG. You know, a car that's cheaper and a tier down of the more expensive RC-F. Similar to how the C43 AMG is a tier down of the C63 AMG. 340i to the M4. etc...
Off topic: Audi's are nice. I considered the 2018 Audi A4 when it released. However, what turned me down from it was Audi could have done more much more but didn't. There are a lot of EU features on the car we don't get in the states - self parking being one of them and wireless charging being two of them. In my opinion (I don't mean any offense if you are getting an A4), the 2018 Audi A4 for being a newly designed MY, they barely have more features than a Lexus IS350 which is 4 years old now. I believe what they have more than the Lexus IS350 is: HUD, power-folding mirrors, 360 camera, and sequential turn signals. I didn't include the Audi Virtual cockpit because Lexus' LFA Gauges closely related to it. While it sucks Lexus LFA Gauges lacks customization, I think LFA Gauges graphics are better and its more virtually appealing than the Cockpit. If the Audi A4 is built to the same price as the Lexus IS350, the Audi A4 lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor things. I find it shocking that a newly design MY018 Audi A4 didn't dominate the Lexus IS350 in terms of features.
For sure - a B8 Audi S4 would be a good buy if you don't look at long-term maintenance cost. Have you considered the B8.5 (facelifted) S4?
hp. i can see myself buying out the lease of my IS in 2020 if the next gen has not debuted yet and waiting to see if i want the next gen or not. i would definitely move over to BMW if the IS doesn’t satisfy though
03-28-18, 06:16 PM
#85
Agreed. If you are speaking of the Audi S4, then I totally agree that the extra $10K will be worth the money. The 2018 Audi S4 is a monster of a car. I honestly think the S4 is pretty close to the M3/M4. I always thought the S4 was Audi's pretty close competitor to the M3/M4. Granted - its not as fast as the M3/M4 but its sure is hella close.
In my opinion, I don't think the tech in the IS350 is that bad and its still highly competitive. Going to back what I said prior - the 2018 Audi A4's only advantages over the 2018 Lexus IS350 is HUD, 360 Camera, power-folding mirrors and sequential turn signals. And measuring them at the same price point - the Audi A4 lacks lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor tech features, which the Lexus IS350 has. On top of that, the Lexus IS350 still tops it in performance and handling. So with the price set at 50K for both cars, both vehicles has features/tech the other one don't have. This is why I think the Lexus IS350 is still highly competitive because its 4 years old now and its still pretty modern compared to a 2018 Audi A4. This is also why I thought Audi made a mistake and should have made the A4 more tech-loaded. They should have added the self-parking and wireless charging from the EU-Spec models.
Apple Carplay will not to be on the 2019 Lexus IS350. Currently - the Lexus IS and GS runs Enform 1.0. The only vehicles in the Lexus line-up to get Apple Carplay are the ones running Enform 2.0. (List of cars running Enform 2.0: LC, NX, RC, RC F, and LS)
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/15/1...s-detroit-2018
Side note: Android Auto isn't making its way into Toyota/Lexus because Toyota is beefing with Google over shared data. Only Apple Carplay on future Toyota/Lexus models.
I'm not 100% sure about HUD but I would say no. The Lexus IS will probably get the HUD in the 4th generation, which probably comes out for MY2020 or MY2021 - depending on when the GS releases.
^If you don't mind me asking, why do you want a HUD unit? Just curious. Here's my opinions on HUD: I think its redundant and unnecessary tech, especially with Lexus' huge 10.3 inch infotainment screen. Lexus' 10.3 screen is huge and its right about eye-level. If I was car shopping and I had an opportunity to OPT out of having a HUD to save money, I would. Similarity - I would not want a HUD on an Audi either. Audi Virtual Cockpit + HUD is pretty redundant and unnecessary as well. Chances are - you'll be looking at the Virtual Cockpit and Lexus' 10.3 screen more often than the HUD.
Its likely the IS350 won't change at all in 2019 so my advice would be buy a Lexus IS350 now if you really want one. I think the 17+ Lexus IS are killer must buys, outta all the Lexus IS models, because they all have engine upgrades and the car overall looks more modern with the 10.3" display.
Excuse me - I didn't mean to come off by saying your driver's race analysis is wrong. I didn't mean that at all. I actually agree with you there. The 07 Lexus IS350 compared to the 07 Infiniti G35 is a driver's race. However, the 07 BMW 335i is just simply faster than both the IS and G.
Ahh. I didn't know there were YouTube videos on this. I never watched them. I always knew the Lexus IS350 from the late 2000s are fast because of aggressive gearing ratios. But - I didn't know they can achieve 4.9s 0-60.
I think if you look at BMW, Infiniti and Lexus entry-level cars, they still remain the same status quo. The BMW 340i has gotten so fast it doesn't even compete with the IS350 anymore. So the Lexus IS350 competes with the 330i and Infiniti Q50 3.0T now. Looking at these 3 cars today - its still a driver's race. What Lexus needs is a Lexus IS400 to compete with the 340i, C43 AMG and Infiniti Q50 3.0T RS.
In my opinion, I don't think the tech in the IS350 is that bad and its still highly competitive. Going to back what I said prior - the 2018 Audi A4's only advantages over the 2018 Lexus IS350 is HUD, 360 Camera, power-folding mirrors and sequential turn signals. And measuring them at the same price point - the Audi A4 lacks lacks 3-spoke steering wheel, heated steering wheel, vented front seats, sports seats, parking assist, and a couple of other minor tech features, which the Lexus IS350 has. On top of that, the Lexus IS350 still tops it in performance and handling. So with the price set at 50K for both cars, both vehicles has features/tech the other one don't have. This is why I think the Lexus IS350 is still highly competitive because its 4 years old now and its still pretty modern compared to a 2018 Audi A4. This is also why I thought Audi made a mistake and should have made the A4 more tech-loaded. They should have added the self-parking and wireless charging from the EU-Spec models.
Apple Carplay will not to be on the 2019 Lexus IS350. Currently - the Lexus IS and GS runs Enform 1.0. The only vehicles in the Lexus line-up to get Apple Carplay are the ones running Enform 2.0. (List of cars running Enform 2.0: LC, NX, RC, RC F, and LS)
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/15/1...s-detroit-2018
Side note: Android Auto isn't making its way into Toyota/Lexus because Toyota is beefing with Google over shared data. Only Apple Carplay on future Toyota/Lexus models.
I'm not 100% sure about HUD but I would say no. The Lexus IS will probably get the HUD in the 4th generation, which probably comes out for MY2020 or MY2021 - depending on when the GS releases.
^If you don't mind me asking, why do you want a HUD unit? Just curious. Here's my opinions on HUD: I think its redundant and unnecessary tech, especially with Lexus' huge 10.3 inch infotainment screen. Lexus' 10.3 screen is huge and its right about eye-level. If I was car shopping and I had an opportunity to OPT out of having a HUD to save money, I would. Similarity - I would not want a HUD on an Audi either. Audi Virtual Cockpit + HUD is pretty redundant and unnecessary as well. Chances are - you'll be looking at the Virtual Cockpit and Lexus' 10.3 screen more often than the HUD.
Its likely the IS350 won't change at all in 2019 so my advice would be buy a Lexus IS350 now if you really want one. I think the 17+ Lexus IS are killer must buys, outta all the Lexus IS models, because they all have engine upgrades and the car overall looks more modern with the 10.3" display.
Excuse me - I didn't mean to come off by saying your driver's race analysis is wrong. I didn't mean that at all. I actually agree with you there. The 07 Lexus IS350 compared to the 07 Infiniti G35 is a driver's race. However, the 07 BMW 335i is just simply faster than both the IS and G.
Ahh. I didn't know there were YouTube videos on this. I never watched them. I always knew the Lexus IS350 from the late 2000s are fast because of aggressive gearing ratios. But - I didn't know they can achieve 4.9s 0-60.
I think if you look at BMW, Infiniti and Lexus entry-level cars, they still remain the same status quo. The BMW 340i has gotten so fast it doesn't even compete with the IS350 anymore. So the Lexus IS350 competes with the 330i and Infiniti Q50 3.0T now. Looking at these 3 cars today - its still a driver's race. What Lexus needs is a Lexus IS400 to compete with the 340i, C43 AMG and Infiniti Q50 3.0T RS.
Yeah the HUD is not a must have but I haven't bought a car in 8 yrs so I don't want to by one now and then it have CarPlay in 2019 and regret not waiting 7 months.
03-28-18, 06:41 PM
#86
Agreed. If the GS doesn't return, Lexus will have to drop out of the mid-size executive segment. The Lexus ES will not be able to pull sales from 5 Series, E-Class or the A6.
If you don't mind me asking, what are you worried about for the new IS? For me, I'm not too worried about the 4th gen IS. I'm not worried because I believe Lexus is likely to keep it conservative in terms of performance. It would be nice if Lexus stepped out of the comfort box and made the Lexus IS350 in Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport performance range. But... we know what Lexus is like. Its likely they'll keep the Turbo 4 the same. They might give us a IS350 with a detuned TTV6 rated at maybe anywhere from 311HP to 350HP to keep the 350 nameplate. I'm betting they won't change the 2GT-FKS 311HP on the IS350 till maybe the 4th gen refresh though. They'll likely finally have LED turn signals for all models; its annoying how US-Spec IS don't get LED turn signals when the rest of the world does. They likely give it the new updated LFA-Gauges, HUD, and maybe 360 camera.
I might sound not that hopeful for the Lexus IS350 but I'll be happy if they just made it middle-of-the-pack performance with good quality and luxury.
Yeah. That's what I mention earlier. With the S220 Toyota Crown just revealed, I think its strange they'll gut the GS.
If you don't mind me asking, what are you worried about for the new IS? For me, I'm not too worried about the 4th gen IS. I'm not worried because I believe Lexus is likely to keep it conservative in terms of performance. It would be nice if Lexus stepped out of the comfort box and made the Lexus IS350 in Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport performance range. But... we know what Lexus is like. Its likely they'll keep the Turbo 4 the same. They might give us a IS350 with a detuned TTV6 rated at maybe anywhere from 311HP to 350HP to keep the 350 nameplate. I'm betting they won't change the 2GT-FKS 311HP on the IS350 till maybe the 4th gen refresh though. They'll likely finally have LED turn signals for all models; its annoying how US-Spec IS don't get LED turn signals when the rest of the world does. They likely give it the new updated LFA-Gauges, HUD, and maybe 360 camera.
I might sound not that hopeful for the Lexus IS350 but I'll be happy if they just made it middle-of-the-pack performance with good quality and luxury.
Yeah. That's what I mention earlier. With the S220 Toyota Crown just revealed, I think its strange they'll gut the GS.
03-28-18, 06:43 PM
#87
Why couldn't Lexus just update the 2019 Lexus IS Enform 2.0 and implement CarPlay does it involve a whole new navi system under that new display? I know it's not backwards compatible so it must have Enform 2.0 to work but what makes it difficult for Lexus to add it to the IS for 2019?
Yeah the HUD is not a must have but I haven't bought a car in 8 yrs so I don't want to by one now and then it have CarPlay in 2019 and regret not waiting 7 months.
03-28-18, 06:45 PM
#88
Hard to know what they will do with the engines really. I suspect something will happen/things will be updated moving forward, however the 2018 IS just got the new 2GR engine, possibly just to hold them over until the next generation, or maybe it's the new engine for a while...
All speculation at this point, but I guess you can dream.
Jeff
All speculation at this point, but I guess you can dream.
Jeff
03-28-18, 10:53 PM
#89
Lexus Test Driver
i disagree that the IS350 does not need a power bump. 311 hp with a 5.7 sec 0-60 time is lame for a car that should be competing with the 340i, C43 AMG, S4 etc. the IS was very comparable to all of those cars in 2014 and even took the crown away from the 335i, until they all took over the IS after the 2016 model year. what i do agree with is having an IS400/500 model with the TTV6 from the LS, considering it would be a very fast car with the 10 speed and 400
hp. i can see myself buying out the lease of my IS in 2020 if the next gen has not debuted yet and waiting to see if i want the next gen or not. i would definitely move over to BMW if the IS doesn’t satisfy though
I was actually seeing it like this:
Lexus IS300 competes with: 320i, A4 FWD 2.0T, Acura TLX I4, and Infiniti Q50 2.0T.
Lexus IS350 competes with: 330i, C300, A4 Quattro 2.0T, Acura TLX V6 AWD, and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport
And if they make a Lexus IS400 - it competes with: 340i, C43 AMG, S4 and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport. Because they all would be in the same price range.
But I do agree - Lexus IS needs more power. That's why I'm hoping for a Lexus IS400 or something.
Why couldn't Lexus just update the 2019 Lexus IS Enform 2.0 and implement CarPlay does it involve a whole new navi system under that new display? I know it's not backwards compatible so it must have Enform 2.0 to work but what makes it difficult for Lexus to add it to the IS for 2019?
Yeah the HUD is not a must have but I haven't bought a car in 8 yrs so I don't want to by one now and then it have CarPlay in 2019 and regret not waiting 7 months.
I do understand your worry because I was on the same boat as you. When I was purchasing my Lexus IS300 (replacing my Lexus 2008 IS250), I was also worried about buying the 2018 Lexus IS when they have a new generation is about minus 2 years away. I was thinking - the 4th generation Lexus IS will have more features. But I soon realized that was a bad way of thinking about it because its impossible to keep updated with the car tech unless you wanna blow money every 3-4 years. Just get the car that you want now and loaded it to a point to where you happy with it. Because if you keep waiting for the latest and best tech, then you'll be waiting forever because new tech comes out every year.
If Apple Carplay is a deal breaker for you, then check out other cars that offer it already. I personally think Apple Carplay is unnecessary and its not very good (my first Apple Carplay experience was in a rented Camaro SS - wasn't that impressed). Everything on the Apple Carplay is pretty null: you have bluetooth for phone calls, you can access your iPhone library from the Lexus infotainment system, how often will you use carplay to text?, you won't need to use Apple Maps (Apple maps suck) when you have integrated navigation with live traffic already. I think the only way to benefit from the Apple Carplay is if your car doesn't have navigation, the stock infotainment system is awful or you are a heavy audio-book and music stream user.
I personally think the standard Lexus Infotainment system is miles better than the Apple Carplay. I also think that if you paid over 40K for a Lexus, the driver shouldn't be cheapen out by looking an Apple infotainment system - it doesn't remind you you own a Lexus. Another example would be: if you drive an Audi with Virtual Cockpit, the Apple Carplay and Android Auto is worthless and just a waste of space. I only think Apple Carplay/Android Auto is good on regular cars that doesn't have a good infotainment system so you use Apple Carplay/Android Auto to replace it.
That's just my advice - take it with a grain of salt because we all have different opinions.
At the end of the day, buy what you feel like you want.my worries are really what you implied with carrying over the V6... again, but it also would not even make sense if they did that since the LS debuted what they are capable of and what they can really do to the next gen IS. they also would definitely not introduce a new engine within a midcycle refresh, lexus never does and never will. even the infotainment which is constantly updated year after year with the germans is only updated with refreshes or new models that debut the new system (LC, LS then passed down to refreshed NX, RC, RCF, & UX)
The 2GR-FKS came from the GS. What I think might happen is the Lexus GS will get the detuned TTV6 first and then trickle down to the Lexus IS350 at a later time. Unless the GS is cancelled and Lexus does something really crazy and give the TTV6 onto the Lexus ES. :O
Hard to know what they will do with the engines really. I suspect something will happen/things will be updated moving forward, however the 2018 IS just got the new 2GR engine, possibly just to hold them over until the next generation, or maybe it's the new engine for a while...
All speculation at this point, but I guess you can dream.
Jeff
All speculation at this point, but I guess you can dream.
Jeff
My speculation is that the 2GR-FKS will hold them until after the first few years of the 4th generation Lexus IS. Because since the 2GR-FKS came from the GS, I think the GS will be the first to get the TTV6 and then it'll trickle down to the Lexus IS at a later time during 4th generation.
Last edited by BippuLexus; 03-28-18 at 11:23 PM.
03-29-18, 04:59 AM
#90
I actually see the Lexus IS350 compete with the 330i, C300, A4 Quattro 2.0T, Acura TLX V6 AWD, and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport because they are all price within the same range and C43 AMG and S4 are like "specialty" cars which the Lexus IS isn't. This is why I think the Lexus IS350 doesn't need a power boost and it'll be fine. Currently - it performs better than average against majority of the cars its competing with.
I was actually seeing it like this:
Lexus IS300 competes with: 320i, A4 FWD 2.0T, Acura TLX I4, and Infiniti Q50 2.0T.
Lexus IS350 competes with: 330i, C300, A4 Quattro 2.0T, Acura TLX V6 AWD, and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport
And if they make a Lexus IS400 - it competes with: 340i, C43 AMG, S4 and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport. Because they all would be in the same price range.
But I do agree - Lexus IS needs more power. That's why I'm hoping for a Lexus IS400 or something.
Like jmull3r mentioned in his later post as well - I also think the Enform 2.0 system uses the touchpad. The Lexus IS, RX, and GS use the joy stick and they all have Enform 1.0. That being said, Lexus would not change their Enform software and also add a different trackpad to their interior post-refresh. Apple Carplay will most likely be on the next generation of the Lexus IS.
I do understand your worry because I was on the same boat as you. When I was purchasing my Lexus IS300 (replacing my Lexus 2008 IS250), I was also worried about buying the 2018 Lexus IS when they have a new generation is about minus 2 years away. I was thinking - the 4th generation Lexus IS will have more features. But I soon realized that was a bad way of thinking about it because its impossible to keep updated with the car tech unless you wanna blow money every 3-4 years. Just get the car that you want now and loaded it to a point to where you happy with it. Because if you keep waiting for the latest and best tech, then you'll be waiting forever because new tech comes out every year.
If Apple Carplay is a deal breaker for you, then check out other cars that offer it already. I personally think Apple Carplay is unnecessary and its not very good (my first Apple Carplay experience was in a rented Camaro SS - wasn't that impressed). Everything on the Apple Carplay is pretty null: you have bluetooth for phone calls, you can access your iPhone library from the Lexus infotainment system, how often will you use carplay to text?, you won't need to use Apple Maps (Apple maps suck) when you have integrated navigation with live traffic already. I think the only way to benefit from the Apple Carplay is if your car doesn't have navigation, the stock infotainment system is awful or you are a heavy audio-book and music stream user.
I personally think the standard Lexus Infotainment system is miles better than the Apple Carplay. I also think that if you paid over 40K for a Lexus, the driver shouldn't be cheapen out by looking an Apple infotainment system - it doesn't remind you you own a Lexus. Another example would be: if you drive an Audi with Virtual Cockpit, the Apple Carplay and Android Auto is worthless and just a waste of space. I only think Apple Carplay/Android Auto is good on regular cars that doesn't have a good infotainment system so you use Apple Carplay/Android Auto to replace it.
That's just my advice - take it with a grain of salt because we all have different opinions. At the end of the day, buy what you feel like you want.
The only reason I think the Lexus IS350 will keep the 2GR-FKS onto the 4th generation is because the engine is still fairly new and the Lexus IS350 with the 2GR-FKS is still competing pretty well against: 330i, C300, A4 Quattro 2.0T, Acura TLX V6 AWD, and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport still.
The 2GR-FKS came from the GS. What I think might happen is the Lexus GS will get the detuned TTV6 first and then trickle down to the Lexus IS350 at a later time. Unless the GS is cancelled and Lexus does something really crazy and give the TTV6 onto the Lexus ES. :O
Agreed. Its hard to know - but speculation is always fun and it gives an idea to everyone what ideas to expect.
My speculation is that the 2GR-FKS will hold them until after the first few years of the 4th generation Lexus IS. Because since the 2GR-FKS came from the GS, I think the GS will be the first to get the TTV6 and then it'll trickle down to the Lexus IS at a later time during 4th generation.
I was actually seeing it like this:
Lexus IS300 competes with: 320i, A4 FWD 2.0T, Acura TLX I4, and Infiniti Q50 2.0T.
Lexus IS350 competes with: 330i, C300, A4 Quattro 2.0T, Acura TLX V6 AWD, and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport
And if they make a Lexus IS400 - it competes with: 340i, C43 AMG, S4 and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport. Because they all would be in the same price range.
But I do agree - Lexus IS needs more power. That's why I'm hoping for a Lexus IS400 or something.
Like jmull3r mentioned in his later post as well - I also think the Enform 2.0 system uses the touchpad. The Lexus IS, RX, and GS use the joy stick and they all have Enform 1.0. That being said, Lexus would not change their Enform software and also add a different trackpad to their interior post-refresh. Apple Carplay will most likely be on the next generation of the Lexus IS.
I do understand your worry because I was on the same boat as you. When I was purchasing my Lexus IS300 (replacing my Lexus 2008 IS250), I was also worried about buying the 2018 Lexus IS when they have a new generation is about minus 2 years away. I was thinking - the 4th generation Lexus IS will have more features. But I soon realized that was a bad way of thinking about it because its impossible to keep updated with the car tech unless you wanna blow money every 3-4 years. Just get the car that you want now and loaded it to a point to where you happy with it. Because if you keep waiting for the latest and best tech, then you'll be waiting forever because new tech comes out every year.
If Apple Carplay is a deal breaker for you, then check out other cars that offer it already. I personally think Apple Carplay is unnecessary and its not very good (my first Apple Carplay experience was in a rented Camaro SS - wasn't that impressed). Everything on the Apple Carplay is pretty null: you have bluetooth for phone calls, you can access your iPhone library from the Lexus infotainment system, how often will you use carplay to text?, you won't need to use Apple Maps (Apple maps suck) when you have integrated navigation with live traffic already. I think the only way to benefit from the Apple Carplay is if your car doesn't have navigation, the stock infotainment system is awful or you are a heavy audio-book and music stream user.
I personally think the standard Lexus Infotainment system is miles better than the Apple Carplay. I also think that if you paid over 40K for a Lexus, the driver shouldn't be cheapen out by looking an Apple infotainment system - it doesn't remind you you own a Lexus. Another example would be: if you drive an Audi with Virtual Cockpit, the Apple Carplay and Android Auto is worthless and just a waste of space. I only think Apple Carplay/Android Auto is good on regular cars that doesn't have a good infotainment system so you use Apple Carplay/Android Auto to replace it.
That's just my advice - take it with a grain of salt because we all have different opinions.
At the end of the day, buy what you feel like you want.The only reason I think the Lexus IS350 will keep the 2GR-FKS onto the 4th generation is because the engine is still fairly new and the Lexus IS350 with the 2GR-FKS is still competing pretty well against: 330i, C300, A4 Quattro 2.0T, Acura TLX V6 AWD, and Infiniti Q50 3.0T Silver Sport still.
The 2GR-FKS came from the GS. What I think might happen is the Lexus GS will get the detuned TTV6 first and then trickle down to the Lexus IS350 at a later time. Unless the GS is cancelled and Lexus does something really crazy and give the TTV6 onto the Lexus ES. :O
Agreed. Its hard to know - but speculation is always fun and it gives an idea to everyone what ideas to expect.
My speculation is that the 2GR-FKS will hold them until after the first few years of the 4th generation Lexus IS. Because since the 2GR-FKS came from the GS, I think the GS will be the first to get the TTV6 and then it'll trickle down to the Lexus IS at a later time during 4th generation.
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