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The CLA isn't much quicker than the IS200T, its nearly identical in terms of power output. Neither are fast by any means.
But that's outside the point, as far as the discussion goes it relates to the whole picture. Lexus isn't able to complete in almost any fields of their 'competitors'. It has the sharp looks and great reliability, that's all for now.
I stand by my point that the 4IS must be something extraordinary for it to bring its buyers back. My words are backed by the IS sales figures:
The CLA 250 is not the fastest car on the road, certainly, but it's quick. I owned one until totaling it October 8 (though speed was not a factor). It was
faster than my IS200 F Sport. Of course, a CLA 45 is much faster than a CLA 250.
It all depends on the definition of quick. Mid end sports sedans are sub 4 seconds to 60 these days. I think you are quick if you are under 5 seconds. Anything over is just average for a sports sedan.
It all depends on the definition of quick. Mid end sports sedans are sub 4 seconds to 60 these days. I think you are quick if you are under 5 seconds. Anything over is just average for a sports sedan.
The CLA isn't much quicker than the IS200T, its nearly identical in terms of power output. Neither are fast by any means.
But that's outside the point, as far as the discussion goes it relates to the whole picture. Lexus isn't able to complete in almost any fields of their 'competitors'. It has the sharp looks and great reliability, that's all for now.
I stand by my point that the 4IS must be something extraordinary for it to bring its buyers back. My words are backed by the IS sales figures:
Yes indeed. Also Lexus owners will need to be prepared to pony up if the performance aspect is there. I do believe there is a famous quote “you have to pay the cost to be the boss”. Lexus IS priced lower but as noted it also underperforms. As far as BMW not viewing Lexus as a competitor is
1. They have been doing this for years. The company was founded in 1916 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines, which it produced from 1917 until 1918 and again from 1933 to 1945. Then automobiles in 1928.
2. Lets face it they have been the benchmark for midsized coupes and sedans for as long as I can remember. So if most companies are playing catch up it’s hard to view them as a threat.
3. The new Supra or Toyota super car is using their engine.
I enjoy my 2L turbo just sad there is no performance support after almost 4 years. No turbo and a few ECU tuners with one more possibly on the way.
If Lexus cannot build a competitive 4IS they might as well discontinue the IS. The Germans are not a threat since they're on another realm, they need to focus on making something that can go head to head with the Genesis 3.3T. If they can't, they may as well kill the IS and make more ES350's for the loyalists who only care about long term reliability. They will buy regardless of drive-train. I have seen many here in this sub-forum praise the previous gen ES350. A car that to this day was the worst car from a driving dynamics perspective I have ever had the misfortune to drive second only to a 2018 Altima rental.
If Lexus cannot build a competitive 4IS they might as well discontinue the IS. The Germans are not a threat since they're on another realm, they need to focus on making something that can go head to head with the Genesis 3.3T. If they can't, they may as well kill the IS and make more ES350's for the loyalists who only care about long term reliability. They will buy regardless of drive-train. I have seen many here in this sub-forum praise the previous gen ES350. A car that to this day was the worst car from a driving dynamics perspective I have ever had the misfortune to drive second only to a 2018 Altima rental.
The German forums don't even consider the IS a competitor anymore. It's too slow to be a threat to them.
I thoroughly enjoyed my 2014 IS250 F Sport and my 2016 IS350 F Sport. I just turned the 2016 in at the end of an extended lease. I will miss it, but Lexus has done so little to the car that I did not consider getting another one. The GS is so long in the tooth that it does not make me too optimistic for the next IS. The car had no reliability issues. There were a few hiccups. The 2016 was the best car I have ever had, but I leased it and the residual was higher than the car’s value. LFS would not budge, so now, they have a 2016 IS350 F Sport.
I thoroughly enjoyed my 2014 IS250 F Sport and my 2016 IS350 F Sport. I just turned the 2016 in at the end of an extended lease. I will miss it, but Lexus has done so little to the car that I did not consider getting another one. The GS is so long in the tooth that it does not make me too optimistic for the next IS. The car had no reliability issues. There were a few hiccups. The 2016 was the best car I have ever had, but I leased it and the residual was higher than the car’s value. LFS would not budge, so now, they have a 2016 IS350 F Sport.
On the plus side, if you liked the IS and wanted a nice upgrade, a CPO GS is a good value right now. For some reason they have lost value pretty quickly,
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