Merged 2021 IS re-design / refresh threads
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Not really IS related but Lexus just announced the GS is done after this year and they are also discontinuing their 5.7L V8 engine and replacing it with twin turbo V6's. I think that's a sign of changes coming to the IS engine...
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LaZeR (04-26-20)
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https://lexusenthusiast.com/2020/04/...wer-v8-engine/
Japanese magazine MagX has mapped out a possible future for the Lexus IS sedan, and there’s a couple surprise twists and turns. Let’s break it down — Mag X suggests that the current third-generation Lexus IS, which originally launched in January 2013, will receive a major facelift and be released in October 2020. A new addition to the line could be an IS 500 model, marking what is likely the last hurrah for the 2UR-GSE 5-liter naturally aspirated V8. In this application, it is expected to produce 475 hp and 395 lb/ft of torque. The IS 500 would only be built with left-hand-drive for export primarily to North America.
This facelifted current IS would then continue in production for three years, at which point the 4th-generation IS would move not to the Lexus GA-L RWD architecture or even to the Mazda RWD Large Architecture, but would instead morph into a battery-electric Tesla Model 3 rival as perhaps the first Lexus built on the new e-TNGA architecture. While it would be great to see a new V8-powered IS, does it really make sense to base it off the current generation, which is almost eight years old? Why only build it for three years? Further, as of this writing, an IS 500 trademark has not been registered in the USA. And then there’s the next-generation model in 2024 — if the IS successor is such a radical change from its predecessor, should it even keep the IS badge? Or at that point will IS join SC, HS and GS in the Lexus badge graveyard?
This facelifted current IS would then continue in production for three years, at which point the 4th-generation IS would move not to the Lexus GA-L RWD architecture or even to the Mazda RWD Large Architecture, but would instead morph into a battery-electric Tesla Model 3 rival as perhaps the first Lexus built on the new e-TNGA architecture. While it would be great to see a new V8-powered IS, does it really make sense to base it off the current generation, which is almost eight years old? Why only build it for three years? Further, as of this writing, an IS 500 trademark has not been registered in the USA. And then there’s the next-generation model in 2024 — if the IS successor is such a radical change from its predecessor, should it even keep the IS badge? Or at that point will IS join SC, HS and GS in the Lexus badge graveyard?
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As for the badge scenario, I think the IS has earned enough clout to morph into another model and retain the name.
Once it lives up to its reputation, whether by gas or electric, the badge should survive.
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The future of the naturally aspirated 5.0-liter V8 from Toyota and Lexus has been confirmed: it will be phased out and a new twin-turbo V6 will take its place. The announcement shouldn't have come as a big surprise, but it's still sad to hear nonetheless. However, before that V8 takes its final bow, Lexus might launch a certain model variant that will surely please brand enthusiasts and could even give the likes of BMW some trouble. According to Japanese language Carsensor.net, a V8-powered Lexus IS 500 is reportedly in the works specifically for the North American market. A right-hand-drive JDM version is not planned.
If true, think of the IS 500 as a last hurrah for not only the V8 but also the current generation Lexus IS sport sedan. Revealed back in 2013, the third-generation IS last underwent an update for the 2016 model year and instead of being replaced outright, it'll receive yet another significant refresh for 2021. The plan would be to continue with the current IS for another three years until the fourth-gen model arrives. Interestingly, the report claims the new IS won't switch to the brand's rear-wheel-drive architecture or even the RWD platform that will underpin the next Mazda 6, which is being co-developed with Toyota.
Instead, the plan is to turn the Lexus IS into a Tesla Model 3 fighter. If so, it will be the first Lexus model to utilize the new e-TNGA electric vehicle architecture. Going from a naturally aspirated V8 to an all-electric powertrain would be a major change, but there is some logic here. Lexus also just announced the discontinuation of the GS RWD sedan, which also means the GS F is finished. It's powered by that same V8 and the IS provides Lexus with the opportunity to keep that engine around a little while longer. A Lexus IS 500 could potentially produce a hearty 475 horsepower and 395 lb-ft of torque. Think of it as the Lexus IS F we've been hoping to see return for years. For the time being, Lexus has not applied for the IS 500 trademark in the US, though that could change at any time. Allowing the IS to fill the void that'll soon be left by the GS F would enable Lexus to stay in the high-powered sports sedan game for the next few years. Again, this is merely a rumor for now but it doesn't sound so far-fetched.
If true, think of the IS 500 as a last hurrah for not only the V8 but also the current generation Lexus IS sport sedan. Revealed back in 2013, the third-generation IS last underwent an update for the 2016 model year and instead of being replaced outright, it'll receive yet another significant refresh for 2021. The plan would be to continue with the current IS for another three years until the fourth-gen model arrives. Interestingly, the report claims the new IS won't switch to the brand's rear-wheel-drive architecture or even the RWD platform that will underpin the next Mazda 6, which is being co-developed with Toyota.
Instead, the plan is to turn the Lexus IS into a Tesla Model 3 fighter. If so, it will be the first Lexus model to utilize the new e-TNGA electric vehicle architecture. Going from a naturally aspirated V8 to an all-electric powertrain would be a major change, but there is some logic here. Lexus also just announced the discontinuation of the GS RWD sedan, which also means the GS F is finished. It's powered by that same V8 and the IS provides Lexus with the opportunity to keep that engine around a little while longer. A Lexus IS 500 could potentially produce a hearty 475 horsepower and 395 lb-ft of torque. Think of it as the Lexus IS F we've been hoping to see return for years. For the time being, Lexus has not applied for the IS 500 trademark in the US, though that could change at any time. Allowing the IS to fill the void that'll soon be left by the GS F would enable Lexus to stay in the high-powered sports sedan game for the next few years. Again, this is merely a rumor for now but it doesn't sound so far-fetched.
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I hope the IS goes electric! That would be so awesome. The V8 would be okay to see but truthfully, the V8 in the RCF and GSF are relatively slow these days. A Tesla would annihilate it. Let's just go straight to electric please.
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Jazzrock (05-03-20)
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AtomicAWD (05-04-20)
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Originally Posted by JBison73
Almost 500hp is slow? I'll take that engine in an IS in a heartbeat, the RCF sounds amazing and is plenty fast imo. I hope that weight is dropped though which is why the RCF is considered slower than it could be and why the track edition was created, which was a waste of time imo. But unless you're taking your car to the track why would anyone need more than 475hp? I'm not a huge fan of electric, because I like hearing the growl of an engine so I hope we get the V8 first because I'd get that and keep it for the next 10-15yrs before going electric. Lol
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0-60 in 4.5 is slow for performance sedan. A mid tier M340i does it in 4 seconds flat. A Model 3 Performance does it in 3 seconds flat. Both are about $55k. A $65k RCF is already overpriced and slower than these cars so it seems the V8 isn't all that's it's cracked up to be. I'd rather they just stick in the LS 3.5L TT and see how that goes.
if they do put the V8 in the IS as one of the variants, the price hike will likely be significant.
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Gladius (05-06-20)
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0-60 in 4.5 is slow for performance sedan. A mid tier M340i does it in 4 seconds flat. A Model 3 Performance does it in 3 seconds flat. Both are about $55k. A $65k RCF is already overpriced and slower than these cars so it seems the V8 isn't all that's it's cracked up to be. I'd rather they just stick in the LS 3.5L TT and see how that goes.
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I don't think you understand the market and who buys these cars. If you think 4.5s 0-60 is "slow" then you've obviously never driven a car that does that, or you figure rat-racing in the city is what BMW/Lexus/Mercedes drivers have as their priority. In fact, most people driving a 4.5s car would get bested by someone who knows how to drive in a 5.5s car. Even in relative terms that is not "slow", as 5-10 years ago you'd be hard-pressed to find many mainstream/affordable production cars that do that.
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JNP1227 (05-04-20)