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Old 04-19-23 | 10:55 AM
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I made sure to get a recommendation from someone who knows the area. The shop is a Lexus authorized repair center as well, and they are less than a half mile from a Lexus dealership.
That's probably what this guy thought too (From the google link you gave):



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Originally Posted by arentz07
... pulling the dent, doing some paintwork and blending within the panel (not across different panels).
That is pretty much what I expected Glad they are doing it right....
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Originally Posted by macmaster
That's probably what this guy thought too (From the google link you gave):
Well, I will just say the person who referred me is someone I know personally, not "Lexus" or my dealership or anything of the sort. I trust his judgment since he does care about his cars. There are some positive reviews from Lexus owners on there as well, including one guy who had an RC 350.

I'll be sure to hold them to a high standard when I go pick up the car. If the paint doesn't look right, I will ask them to re-do it.
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So, I just wanted to share something that's been going on. It is nothing specific to the IS 500.

Geico and my body shop do not seem to agree on labor and paint rates for the car. Geico only wants to cover $50/hr, and the shop wants to charge $55/hr for labor, for example. Paint is in a similar boat: $34/hr from Geico, but $43/hr from the shop.

I did a little Google research (lol), and it seems a few other shops in the area charge similar amounts for body work and paint work. So, I fear Geico is simply low-balling the shop here, and they are leaving me to cover the remaining amount.

However, what I would have liked to do here is simply find a different shop. Geico claims that they rarely have these occurrences in this area - it's only this shop, supposedly. However, the shop also says they always have issues with Geico, not so much other insurance companies. They went as far as to say "Geico is just so behind the times. You can't go to the paint store and buy house paint for $34. My point being, automotive paint is more sophisticated and refined even than house paint..." You get the idea. Having said all that, what it means for me is that Geico's covered amount is going to come up nearly $300 short.

This is after I paid a deductible, mind, and have been paying monthly to Geico for quite some time.

I feel dissatisfied with both parties. One, the body shop. They gave me an ETA of "a week, maybe a few days more", and it's been over two weeks now, with some supposed pending work to do. Also, if this has been a repeated issue with Geico, why not surface that to me, the customer, before you take my car hostage and THEN tell me there's going to be a difference? Oh, because you'd rather have me sign a sneakily-worded piece of paper saying you'll get the money either way. OK then. Two, Geico. If your reimbursed rates don't align with the market, it sounds like your product is simply not great. Sure, you have given me by far the lowest rates I could have gotten, as far as I can tell. However, I'd rather pay a little more for the piece of mind that you would actually cover the costs of repairs after my deductible, especially when said costs follow market averages.

So, I still don't have my car and am being asked to pay for uncovered costs. All on a car that got damaged when I did nothing wrong.
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Originally Posted by arentz07
So, I just wanted to share something that's been going on. It is nothing specific to the IS 500.

Geico and my body shop do not seem to agree on labor and paint rates for the car. Geico only wants to cover $50/hr, and the shop wants to charge $55/hr for labor, for example. Paint is in a similar boat: $34/hr from Geico, but $43/hr from the shop.

I did a little Google research (lol), and it seems a few other shops in the area charge similar amounts for body work and paint work. So, I fear Geico is simply low-balling the shop here, and they are leaving me to cover the remaining amount.

However, what I would have liked to do here is simply find a different shop. Geico claims that they rarely have these occurrences in this area - it's only this shop, supposedly. However, the shop also says they always have issues with Geico, not so much other insurance companies. They went as far as to say "Geico is just so behind the times. You can't go to the paint store and buy house paint for $34. My point being, automotive paint is more sophisticated and refined even than house paint..." You get the idea. Having said all that, what it means for me is that Geico's covered amount is going to come up nearly $300 short.

This is after I paid a deductible, mind, and have been paying monthly to Geico for quite some time.

I feel dissatisfied with both parties. One, the body shop. They gave me an ETA of "a week, maybe a few days more", and it's been over two weeks now, with some supposed pending work to do. Also, if this has been a repeated issue with Geico, why not surface that to me, the customer, before you take my car hostage and THEN tell me there's going to be a difference? Oh, because you'd rather have me sign a sneakily-worded piece of paper saying you'll get the money either way. OK then. Two, Geico. If your reimbursed rates don't align with the market, it sounds like your product is simply not great. Sure, you have given me by far the lowest rates I could have gotten, as far as I can tell. However, I'd rather pay a little more for the piece of mind that you would actually cover the costs of repairs after my deductible, especially when said costs follow market averages.

So, I still don't have my car and am being asked to pay for uncovered costs. All on a car that got damaged when I did nothing wrong.
sorry to hear this update, but where is the Chateau in all of this? Realistically this should all come out of their pocket.
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Originally Posted by TipsyTonio
sorry to hear this update, but where is the Chateau in all of this? Realistically this should all come out of their pocket.
They agreed to cover my insurance deductible.
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Originally Posted by arentz07
They agreed to cover my insurance deductible.
That’s it??? Sounds to me like that is enough basis to prove that they admit wrongdoing. This very much seems to me like an open and shut small claims court case
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That’s it??? Sounds to me like that is enough basis to prove that they admit wrongdoing. This very much seems to me like an open and shut small claims court case
I think I am boned on that front. When they paid it, they had me sign something saying we're done after that. I did not suspect I'd have to pay yet more out-of-pocket after the fact.

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Originally Posted by arentz07
I think I am boned on that front. When they paid it, they had me sign something saying we're done after that. I did not suspect I'd have to pay yet more out-of-pocket after the fact.
Ah snap. You signed a release. Sorry to hear all this. I personally would’ve asked for them to pay for the repair without involving your insurance at all. That’s why THEY carry insurance
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Ah snap. You signed a release. Sorry to hear all this. I personally would’ve asked for them to pay for the repair without involving your insurance at all. That’s why THEY carry insurance
Yeah admittedly I got impatient and wanted it fixed ASAP. Their insurance guy was out of town at the time. Whatever.

Still, I am paying Geico for a service which seems like it is not up to date with the market, which is sad.
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Originally Posted by arentz07
So, I just wanted to share something that's been going on. It is nothing specific to the IS 500.

Geico and my body shop do not seem to agree on labor and paint rates for the car. Geico only wants to cover $50/hr, and the shop wants to charge $55/hr for labor, for example. Paint is in a similar boat: $34/hr from Geico, but $43/hr from the shop.

I did a little Google research (lol), and it seems a few other shops in the area charge similar amounts for body work and paint work. So, I fear Geico is simply low-balling the shop here, and they are leaving me to cover the remaining amount.
Geico is on my naughty list for insurance companies and I know of shops here that just don't want to deal with cars under that insurance. They are notorious for doing this... so while they advertise lower rates, you pay out the a** later to get things fixed at a non-DRP (direct repair partner) shop. Your body shop should have also been more forthcoming on this as it should not be new to them about the rate differences. The estimator should know what rates the most common insurance companies will cover; Geico does fall under the "common" category.

I am sorry to hear you still do not have your car back I really hope this all gets resolved soon and up to your expectations!
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So how much total out of pocket is this costing you @arentz07 ? I thought the deductible would be the only cost.
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Originally Posted by IssaV8
Geico is on my naughty list for insurance companies and I know of shops here that just don't want to deal with cars under that insurance. They are notorious for doing this... so while they advertise lower rates, you pay out the a** later to get things fixed at a non-DRP (direct repair partner) shop. Your body shop should have also been more forthcoming on this as it should not be new to them about the rate differences. The estimator should know what rates the most common insurance companies will cover; Geico does fall under the "common" category.

I am sorry to hear you still do not have your car back I really hope this all gets resolved soon and up to your expectations!
Yeah it just feels like I am in a situation where both of the other parties are pointing the finger at one another and refusing to work something out. The customer service at the shop has been so-so as well. Literally every time I've called, the advisor I've been working with was "away from his desk". And he never called back whenever I left a message.

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So how much total out of pocket is this costing you @arentz07 ? I thought the deductible would be the only cost.
Hence, my frustration. The deductible is supposed to be the only cost. I had a $1k deductible and am being asked to pay at least $259 (don't know the exact number because of a recent supplement).
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Old 05-04-23 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by arentz07
Yeah it just feels like I am in a situation where both of the other parties are pointing the finger at one another and refusing to work something out. The customer service at the shop has been so-so as well. Literally every time I've called, the advisor I've been working with was "away from his desk". And he never called back whenever I left a message.



Hence, my frustration. The deductible is supposed to be the only cost. I had a $1k deductible and am being asked to pay at least $259 (don't know the exact number because of a recent supplement).
$259 - That's not terrible. You "saved" $1k haha. A $1k hit can be a big deal for a small business. As for the repair job, all you can hope is that their handiwork is better than their CS.
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$259 - That's not terrible. You "saved" $1k haha. A $1k hit can be a big deal for a small business. As for the repair job, all you can hope is that their handiwork is better than their CS.
I have heard good things about the quality of the work. But of course, I plan to get it out in the sunlight and do a careful walk-around and make sure everything looks good. At the end of the day, I want the car back more than anything. I just don't want anyone - Geico nor the body shop - to use that to take advantage of me.



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