Originally Posted by Joe Z

Just to be clear guys the $2,200 in Port Installed options does not ALL goto the dealerships..

If it’s part of the MSRP they just get the incremental %, like the car itself.

Just wondering did anyone see or grab the MSRP..?? I’m curious as to how many PIO items were added..

Joe Z

Originally Posted by jororo

Hopefully they spend $12,300 on the promotional videos & staff labor in their attempt to fleece an extra $12,200 out of what could have been a long-term loyal customer.

Originally Posted by IssaV8

Plus 10k ADM

Edit: looks like it's $1375 in accessories, I must have crossed my notes with another dealer. The 10k is correct however

Originally Posted by wthrman2

^^ despite all this, accessories should still be optional. I understand the administration fee by the dealer, however, imagine going to buy a TV and they force you to buy a stand, buy cleaning products for the TV, a package of 100 batteries for the remote control, etc. That just boggles my mind but maybe its because again, i am in Canada where accessories are just that, something a customer has the opportunity to buy if they so chose. Are they forcing you guys to buy Lexus ballcaps and T-shorts too?!

Originally Posted by macmaster

Not always. You might eek out a little bit more value by waiting for the late model years but there's always an opportunity cost no matter which way you go. By waiting, the trade-offs might be (1) you won't get to enjoy the car during its debut year(s) when it turns the most heads including your own and (2) if you're financing, you won't pay the car off sooner in your lifetime. Consider a scenario where the sooner the car is paid off, the sooner someone can use their $ for something else, like a larger house that they couldn't afford now due to income restraint or likewise couldn't afford a large house payment + IS500 payment in 3 years.

I understand in the year 2030 and beyond that a 2025 IS500 will be worth more than a 2022 model, but if you can afford this car in the first place that is a marginal amount (maybe $8,000 max all else being equal) of your total net worth. Maybe you get a better suspension or maybe you get a HUD, maybe both. But is that really worth waiting 3 years of your youth?

Now if the 2022 model year turns out to be a dud, like it burns oil, then yes, you saved yourself a world of headache by waiting. Let's hope that's not the case.

Originally Posted by wthrman2

Nice to see the face behind the legs (lol)

Originally Posted by felixcat

Whenever there is a really good car models coming to the market, there will be a sudden increase of demand at the very beginning, which will give people an impression that it is scarce and hard to get. However it will cool down a couple month later. I do not see any exception in my lifetime (unless that car model product line is truly limited to a handful units which are already be spoken for well before the public announcement, for example the Bentley Bacalar).

The most recent example is the Durango SRT Hellcat, it is limited production and FCA clearly said it is only one model year run and will be discontinued forever. Initially every unit has been booked and seems it is very hard to buy one, but for now look what happened? There are tons of new Durango Hellcats in inventory and you can easily buy one with any color/options combination you like. Yes it is still limited production and very collectable, but now you can easily buy one. The IS500 will follow the same route.

Originally Posted by V8ISGreat

They definitely didn't spend any money on the music. I thought I was watching Beverly Hills Cop for a minute there

Originally Posted by macmaster

I dont know anything about the Hellcat but you're right. EXCEPTTTTT we now live in crazy times and will car prices ever come back to normal?

Originally Posted by macmaster

I dont know anything about the Hellcat but you're right. EXCEPTTTTT we now live in crazy times and will car prices ever come back to normal? Probably but what if they don't? Let's say things stay the same way forever. A IS350 used costs more than it was when it was new, as is the case with most used cars purchased new in the last 2 years or so.

Originally Posted by IssaV8

Plus 10k ADM

Edit: looks like it's $1375 in accessories, I must have crossed my notes with another dealer. The 10k is correct however

Originally Posted by macmaster

I dont know anything about the Hellcat but you're right. EXCEPTTTTT we now live in crazy times and will car prices ever come back to normal? Probably but what if they don't? Let's say things stay the same way forever. A IS350 used costs more than it was when it was new, as is the case with most used cars purchased new in the last 2 years or so.

Originally Posted by felixcat

As long as we sell our old car and buy a new one at the same time, we will be "immune" to the auto market fluctuation. Used car's market trend is highly correlated to the new car market, the premium you "earn" from selling your old car will offset the premium you pay on the new car.

Originally Posted by jororo

On a related note we are in a low interest, high inflation environment (a paradox that makes my undergrad finance degree even more worthless than it already was). Can always wait a few years to buy, but at that point the MSRP could be 15%+ higher solely due to inflation pressures and/or your interest rate could be 8-12%, either of which would be a kick in the giggleberries for waiting. Not saying that's going to happen but historically, outside of purely commodity goods, post-inflation prices don't really recede back to pre-inflation prices. See years 1974 and 1980.

I do think we're technically paying a mild premium for being early adopters, but as you mentioned given the environment being able to buy an in-demand at MSRP is a good position to be in, especially when others are paying above new MSRP for used cars. Any premium also becomes less important if you're planning to keep this car for the long term, as I am