The V8 is back: IS 500 F SPORT Performance
02-23-21, 06:13 AM
#76
This article sums up the difference in driving experience between the two. Note that the TVD does include a 67 pound weight penalty for the added tech.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-test-feature/
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-test-feature/
Not a huge difference as far as daily applications go. Since I am not planning to track it.
TVD seems to offer some benefits over Torsen. However, the flip side of the coin is that its enormously expensive and complicated. Hence, if it ever goes out of warranty, it may mechanically total the car.
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02-23-21, 06:29 AM
#77
The GS-F is still the better car... I won't be trading mine in for one, and pretty sure you can get a better deal than this new car.....
Not worried about the GSF losing more value cause this isn't an F. Interior for this car is another major let down why would I want the same thing from 8 years ago, when the GSF has a bigger and better interior.
In my opinion, the car is late to the show, but it will be a good option for people that want a NA v8. Compared to other brands V6 TT. Now if the F model has a v8 TT we can talk. Was honestly hoping we saw some kind of performance hybrid for the IS.
GSF is a legend that won't come back in the foreseeable future.
Not worried about the GSF losing more value cause this isn't an F. Interior for this car is another major let down why would I want the same thing from 8 years ago, when the GSF has a bigger and better interior.
In my opinion, the car is late to the show, but it will be a good option for people that want a NA v8. Compared to other brands V6 TT. Now if the F model has a v8 TT we can talk. Was honestly hoping we saw some kind of performance hybrid for the IS.
GSF is a legend that won't come back in the foreseeable future.
I would still most likely go with a CPO GS-F. Though, it is tempting to walk into a dealership and come out with a new car and avoid all the hassles associated with buying used.
02-23-21, 07:24 AM
#78
02-23-21, 08:23 AM
#79
Lexus Test Driver
It will out-perform the original ISF but the competition has gotten much faster. If they keep the price in the $60k range, this is going to be a great choice in the segment. Its nowhere near the fastest in the class but the visceral additions like the V8 growl will make it a compelling choice.
02-23-21, 09:32 AM
#81
It will out-perform the original ISF but the competition has gotten much faster. If they keep the price in the $60k range, this is going to be a great choice in the segment. Its nowhere near the fastest in the class but the visceral additions like the V8 growl will make it a compelling choice.
Price is going to make or break it though. Still, I hope this car does well. Who knows... Maybe the IS500's success will pave the way for an actual ISF.
02-23-21, 09:35 AM
#82
Lexus Connoisseur
I didn't even think we were arguing, and I think we both agree that it should be consistently used. You'll get no argument from me on that. Lexus has been much better about F SPORT recently, but as of today they're still all over the place when it comes to whether there is a space between the model and designation (i.e., IS350 vs. IS 350). If Lexus does care about it, they need to be better about showing it.
We do agree that it's great the 2UR is back in the IS, many people have been waiting for it.
No manual transmission though.
(Not that there ever will be).
Jeff
We do agree that it's great the 2UR is back in the IS, many people have been waiting for it.
No manual transmission though.
(Not that there ever will be).Jeff
I think it would be a knock out with a manual, then we would see markups.
02-23-21, 11:38 AM
#85
Driver
I think the ultimate test of this car will be in the fine tuning. It can go two ways:
1. If it's really just a de-contented and cheaper F car, but still drives just as "sharp," it will be a pretty awesome option that allows more people to get into this iconic V8 powertrain.
2. If it not being a full F means they have softened things like suspension / bushing responsiveness, softened brake feel, softened transmission behavior, softened sound from the exhaust, etc. to tame it down, then it will be seen as a strange middle ground that nobody really asked for.
Only time will tell when journalists and initial owners start reviewing the car. I am hopeful because Akio Toyoda has been on a major performance car push lately and seems to be personally signing off the performance cars in terms of final tuning now, which is resulting in hits like the GR Yaris (Supra less so but that's more of a BMW than a Toyota).
On another note, if they've gone through the trouble to make this car, it's surprising that they couldn't fairly cheaply add the things needed to also make an IS F, so maybe that will still happen.
1. If it's really just a de-contented and cheaper F car, but still drives just as "sharp," it will be a pretty awesome option that allows more people to get into this iconic V8 powertrain.
2. If it not being a full F means they have softened things like suspension / bushing responsiveness, softened brake feel, softened transmission behavior, softened sound from the exhaust, etc. to tame it down, then it will be seen as a strange middle ground that nobody really asked for.
Only time will tell when journalists and initial owners start reviewing the car. I am hopeful because Akio Toyoda has been on a major performance car push lately and seems to be personally signing off the performance cars in terms of final tuning now, which is resulting in hits like the GR Yaris (Supra less so but that's more of a BMW than a Toyota).
On another note, if they've gone through the trouble to make this car, it's surprising that they couldn't fairly cheaply add the things needed to also make an IS F, so maybe that will still happen.
02-23-21, 11:42 AM
#86
Lexus Connoisseur
It's funny, of all the years of being around IS F from the beginning, everyone complained about the weight of the car. In all honesty, most people don't push their cars to the limits or compete for lap times to qualify it. It's even more laughable when people bag it and put heavier wheels and body kits on it.
02-23-21, 01:27 PM
#87
Driver School Candidate
I think this is as good as it will get for the current gen IS. There will be no ISF -- the TTV6 and future TTV8 were developed for the TNGA platform, so there is pretty much no chance we see it on the N platform that the current IS sits on. There are also rumors that the next gen IS will be a collab with Mazda, so I don't think we will see a 100% Lexus IS after this IS500.
02-23-21, 03:08 PM
#88
So, the RCF has rear wheel steering, it seems the IS500 does not get it, yeah?
02-23-21, 03:11 PM
#89
I think this is as good as it will get for the current gen IS. There will be no ISF -- the TTV6 and future TTV8 were developed for the TNGA platform, so there is pretty much no chance we see it on the N platform that the current IS sits on. There are also rumors that the next gen IS will be a collab with Mazda, so I don't think we will see a 100% Lexus IS after this IS500.
02-23-21, 03:21 PM
#90
Driver School Candidate
This is simply the perfect car. The current Lexus IS model is the best looking sedan in its class, but was lacking in power. For a car of this caliber, 472 hp is NO JOKE combined with that V8 engine which virtually no car in that segment offers. This car will not be competing against the top performance cars which are widely 1 second faster 0-60 than the oncoming IS500 and cost a kidney. If Lexus wanted to push this car to its max, it could have easily reach 0-60 in under 4 seconds. It makes sense to have the F Sport Performance line and THEN a full blown ISF if the IS500 sells like hot cakes. Now, if Lexus can keep a fully loaded IS500 in the mid 60k, the least we can do is to BUY not LEASE this car even if we have to deliver pizza as a second job. Sign me up for one straight from Lexus.