The V8 is back: IS 500 F SPORT Performance
08-13-21, 09:28 PM
#931
What’s your guys opinion on buying one of these used, a year or so down the line or even months after release (I’ve seen CPO 2021 350s already)? On the one hand you could potentially save several thousand dollars, but a fun car like this I would be concerned about it being abused during the break-in period. I’ve also just had a bad experience with my CPO CT200 where I’ve found out at least one of the body panels was likely resprayed with clear coat which is now starting to peel, and I didn’t know that at the time of purchase. For these reasons I’d like to own a new car for once but man all the Dave Ramsey’s and Suze Ormans in me are telling me not to.
08-14-21, 09:38 AM
#933
He gives a pricing "guideline" and also says the car won't really come with build options. It will be a base car or a loaded car.
The guideline he gives is $65k - $75k depending on if it is a base car or loaded. He knows pricing, but can't reveal it until the embargo lifts. A loaded car at $75k is way too high. After CA taxes it will be around $83k and now I'm $10k away from a decently optioned CT5-V Blackwing. Lexus does it again... prices the car higher than it's worth.
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08-14-21, 10:02 AM
#934
Intermediate
He compares the car to the RC-F and M3 which are a step above in performance and pricing instead of the actual cars it is going to compete against like the c43 and m340. It has been stated by people with inside info that the car will be aggressively priced and his 65-75k is not aggressive. He also gets the embargo date completely wrong so I would take anything with numbers he says with a grain of salt IMO. Embargo ends Sept 10th at 7 am est, not Sept 11th.
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08-14-21, 10:03 AM
#935
Driver School Candidate
Yeah if the base price is $65k then we are looking at $70k+ with options and packages. That is making it a hard sell for me. My brother has a GSF but even that car doesn't feel like a $70k car (what he paid for it). Although it has decent tech like HUD and heated/cooled seats, the overall feel reminds you of Toyota. The V8 and reliability are the only redeeming qualities. The CT4-V Blackwing starts at $59k and is pretty much a superior vehicle in nearly all categories.
I know most on here will counter with Toyota reliability, but in reality people trade in their vehicles more often than they used to. Not to mention the Germans have improved their reliability considerably.
Honestly I think MotoMan guy is wrong though. I have a feeling this car will start around $60-62k and will stay under $70k with options.
I know most on here will counter with Toyota reliability, but in reality people trade in their vehicles more often than they used to. Not to mention the Germans have improved their reliability considerably.
Honestly I think MotoMan guy is wrong though. I have a feeling this car will start around $60-62k and will stay under $70k with options.
08-14-21, 10:21 AM
#936
Intermediate
I think it starts in the mid to upper 50s like the c43 and m340. A fully loaded M340 RWD is around 61-63k. All options on the IS500 should come to around $8700 on top of the base price going by option pricing on the 350. If the car is base-priced over 60k I would go and buy a used GS-F at that point and get a true F car.
08-14-21, 10:23 AM
#937
Pole Position
Look at the video at 7:15.
He is hinting it’ll be $52k base without actually saying it. He’s trying to throw us off with the 65-75. Y’all better have your deposits in.
He is hinting it’ll be $52k base without actually saying it. He’s trying to throw us off with the 65-75. Y’all better have your deposits in.
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08-14-21, 10:41 AM
#938
Intermediate
52k would aggressively undercut both German cars as well as the TLX even though the TLX is not its direct competition. If you look at how Lexus prices the 300 and 350 F sport the 350 is about 4k over the 300 starting base price. Using that as a starter doing a base 350 with DHP and no packages it is 48650. throw on another 4k that is 52650 which could be a starting point for the 500, it is basically the same exact car minus the Yamaha damper and engine as the 350 F sport. I luckily am #2 at my dealership, sept 10th can't get here fast enough.
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08-14-21, 11:01 AM
#939
Pole Position
I picked up on the same! Fully loaded, I’m getting this car. Please God, let my sales rep call with a USB/red model! 😍
08-14-21, 12:29 PM
#940
He compares the car to the RC-F and M3 which are a step above in performance and pricing instead of the actual cars it is going to compete against like the c43 and m340. It has been stated by people with inside info that the car will be aggressively priced and his 65-75k is not aggressive. He also gets the embargo date completely wrong so I would take anything with numbers he says with a grain of salt IMO. Embargo ends Sept 10th at 7 am est, not Sept 11th.
27 more days to go! fingers crossed it wont exceed 66k loaded.
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08-14-21, 12:36 PM
#941
do you guys really think the sprint from 0-60 will take 4.5 seconds? unless the gearing is weird, I personally think reviewers will get closer to 4 flat. Car and Driver clocked the regular RC F at 4.1 and the Fuji edition at 4.0. the regular one weighs in at 4000 pounds and the Fuji at 3840. the IS 500 will be around 3900? I intend to remove the spare and accompanying tools, which I always do, and just carry a portable air compressor.
Lexus probably doesn't want to claim a quicker 0-60 time than the RC F. if the IS500 drives well and the reviewers rave about its driving dynamics, then the demand will surely go up. the more important metric is the 5-60 time with roll out, which is the real world time.
yeah the 340i M does the 0-60 in a claimed 3.8 with launch control I'm assuming, but look at the 5-60 which is 4.7. the regular RC F does the same in 4.5.
Lexus probably doesn't want to claim a quicker 0-60 time than the RC F. if the IS500 drives well and the reviewers rave about its driving dynamics, then the demand will surely go up. the more important metric is the 5-60 time with roll out, which is the real world time.
yeah the 340i M does the 0-60 in a claimed 3.8 with launch control I'm assuming, but look at the 5-60 which is 4.7. the regular RC F does the same in 4.5.
08-14-21, 12:36 PM
#942
52k would aggressively undercut both German cars as well as the TLX even though the TLX is not its direct competition. If you look at how Lexus prices the 300 and 350 F sport the 350 is about 4k over the 300 starting base price. Using that as a starter doing a base 350 with DHP and no packages it is 48650. throw on another 4k that is 52650 which could be a starting point for the 500, it is basically the same exact car minus the Yamaha damper and engine as the 350 F sport. I luckily am #2 at my dealership, sept 10th can't get here fast enough.
08-14-21, 12:55 PM
#943
drives cars
do you guys really think the sprint from 0-60 will take 4.5 seconds? unless the gearing is weird, I personally think reviewers will get closer to 4 flat. Car and Driver clocked the regular RC F at 4.1 and the Fuji edition at 4.0. the regular one weighs in at 4000 pounds and the Fuji at 3840. the IS 500 will be around 3900? I intend to remove the spare and accompanying tools, which I always do, and just carry a portable air compressor.
Lexus probably doesn't want to claim a quicker 0-60 time than the RC F. if the IS500 drives well and the reviewers rave about its driving dynamics, then the demand will surely go up. the more important metric is the 5-60 time with roll out, which is the real world time.
yeah the 340i M does the 0-60 in a claimed 3.8 with launch control I'm assuming, but look at the 5-60 which is 4.7. the regular RC F does the same in 4.5.
Lexus probably doesn't want to claim a quicker 0-60 time than the RC F. if the IS500 drives well and the reviewers rave about its driving dynamics, then the demand will surely go up. the more important metric is the 5-60 time with roll out, which is the real world time.
yeah the 340i M does the 0-60 in a claimed 3.8 with launch control I'm assuming, but look at the 5-60 which is 4.7. the regular RC F does the same in 4.5.
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08-14-21, 03:36 PM
#944
It will also greatly depend on the final drive ratio that the IS500 will be equipped with. The 2015-2019 Lexus RCF had a 2.94 final drive ratio while the 2020+ RCF received a shorter 3.13 final drive ratio which helped improve the 0-60 time. I don't believe Lexus has yet to release the final drive ratio for the IS500 but we'll see once that info is released.
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08-14-21, 11:03 PM
#945
Going to do a quick estimate:
$52K base
$1,000 for the memory package (it's $2390 on the UX for memory + ventilated seats, kick to open hatch)
$2,750 for Nav/ML Package
$1,365 Panoview + Parking assist
$1,250 Triple Beam LED Headlights
$210 Power Rear Sunshade
That brings it to $58,575. These are the features I want. I couldn't care less about the moonroof. If it's the launch edition, I'm assuming all features are included, with the moonroof at $1100, and probably $3000 more for the LE, that brings it to $62,675, before taxes (assuming no stupid mark-up by dealers).
Seems reasonable and very competitive for pricing! Hopefully that $52k base is true though..
$52K base
$1,000 for the memory package (it's $2390 on the UX for memory + ventilated seats, kick to open hatch)
$2,750 for Nav/ML Package
$1,365 Panoview + Parking assist
$1,250 Triple Beam LED Headlights
$210 Power Rear Sunshade
That brings it to $58,575. These are the features I want. I couldn't care less about the moonroof. If it's the launch edition, I'm assuming all features are included, with the moonroof at $1100, and probably $3000 more for the LE, that brings it to $62,675, before taxes (assuming no stupid mark-up by dealers).
Seems reasonable and very competitive for pricing! Hopefully that $52k base is true though..