The V8 is back: IS 500 F SPORT Performance
09-04-21, 03:53 PM
#1156
It's much higher, I believe they are reducing US market from 140k to 60kish. Could go even lower. These are desperate times. Germans will be even more affected.
-China controls Flow of rare earth minerals, Taiwan is the greatest producer of chips in the world by far. Dwarfing everyone else.
-China wants to take Taiwan, even by invasion.
-Market is now choked in Asia East.
-Covid ruined global shipping times
-Human labor at all time low globally due to Covid19 and other factors.
-Will take Samsung investing billions of dollars 10 years to get to current level of production TSMC is at.
-USA has no path to ramp up this level of production.
-Taliban now controls 3 trillion dollars worth of lithium and rare earth minerals.
-America holds sanctions against Taliban
-China is aiding Taliban, soon China controls 99% of market. They currently hold at least 80% of Rare earth
-America confused and still bickering while The west coast burns, east coast sinks and the economy plummets.
-Germany not even making V8s due to parts shortage, how do you think their chip sourcing and logistics go? Very bad
So many think it will be fixed by January but they are dead wrong. The car market is F'd up for awhile. So cool cars are going to be hard to come by these days. prices just got worse for everything.
Unfortunately potato chips are about the only chips that the US is still manufacturing. Outsourcing everything was a great idea wasn't it?
Auto Manufacturers have realized that by keeping supply very low they don't need rebates and incentives. If you look at their profits over the last year, profit is up even though they are selling fewer cars. They are also able to raise prices and push people into more expensive vehicles due to demand and by not having excess stock of lower cost vehicles that have little to no profit (and might even be a loss for them if they have to push big incentives to sell them).
Expect more car manufacturers to follow. Makes sense. Keep demand up by low supply and make more money.
-China controls Flow of rare earth minerals, Taiwan is the greatest producer of chips in the world by far. Dwarfing everyone else.
-China wants to take Taiwan, even by invasion.
-Market is now choked in Asia East.
-Covid ruined global shipping times
-Human labor at all time low globally due to Covid19 and other factors.
-Will take Samsung investing billions of dollars 10 years to get to current level of production TSMC is at.
-USA has no path to ramp up this level of production.
-Taliban now controls 3 trillion dollars worth of lithium and rare earth minerals.
-America holds sanctions against Taliban
-China is aiding Taliban, soon China controls 99% of market. They currently hold at least 80% of Rare earth
-America confused and still bickering while The west coast burns, east coast sinks and the economy plummets.
-Germany not even making V8s due to parts shortage, how do you think their chip sourcing and logistics go? Very bad
So many think it will be fixed by January but they are dead wrong. The car market is F'd up for awhile. So cool cars are going to be hard to come by these days. prices just got worse for everything.
Unfortunately potato chips are about the only chips that the US is still manufacturing. Outsourcing everything was a great idea wasn't it?
Auto Manufacturers have realized that by keeping supply very low they don't need rebates and incentives. If you look at their profits over the last year, profit is up even though they are selling fewer cars. They are also able to raise prices and push people into more expensive vehicles due to demand and by not having excess stock of lower cost vehicles that have little to no profit (and might even be a loss for them if they have to push big incentives to sell them).
Expect more car manufacturers to follow. Makes sense. Keep demand up by low supply and make more money.
09-04-21, 04:42 PM
#1157
09-04-21, 04:50 PM
#1158
The dealers here in Southern California seem to have a hard time keeping the 350's in stock. And I doubt the dealers will even get very many 500's. And with that being said, no matter what the MSRP may be, you can probably expect a large dealer mark up. Possibly $10,000 more.
The dealer where I got mine in January usually only have 2 IS 350s at any given time.. the same car I negotiated down to $39,xxx is now $46,xxx PLUS an additional $3,000 adjusted market value added. If people actually pay that, I don't know. But if they do they'll be so upside down in a couple of years...
The dealer where I got mine in January usually only have 2 IS 350s at any given time.. the same car I negotiated down to $39,xxx is now $46,xxx PLUS an additional $3,000 adjusted market value added. If people actually pay that, I don't know. But if they do they'll be so upside down in a couple of years...
09-04-21, 04:55 PM
#1159
Lead Lap
Thanks for being a new but extremely valuable contributor for Canadian Lexus owners since our market is so different!
09-04-21, 05:04 PM
#1160
Lead Lap
09-04-21, 05:16 PM
#1161
I see you're in CA, what dealer are you referring to? I just did a quick search at dealers near me, South Bay, Newport and Tustin, and there are several IS 350's, pretty much loaded, for around $45k to $48k w/ the dealer discount. I see one w/ DHP for around $54k. like others have estimated, I still think the IS 500 regular version, will be about $10k more than the IS 350 w/ DHP.
Longo and South Bay
09-04-21, 05:17 PM
#1162
I see you're in CA, what dealer are you referring to? I just did a quick search at dealers near me, South Bay, Newport and Tustin, and there are several IS 350's, pretty much loaded, for around $45k to $48k w/ the dealer discount. I see one w/ DHP for around $54k. like others have estimated, I still think the IS 500 regular version, will be about $10k more than the IS 350 w/ DHP.
some dealers who are really hurting for inventory is doing 10 over.
09-04-21, 05:35 PM
#1163
Lead Lap
^^ That is insane!! I am so happy I got such a great deal on my IS350 so that if crap hits the fan with the 500, I am still paying a super low lease and got a great deal. It makes the deal I offered my friend to take over my lease even more attractive than ever before for him
09-04-21, 05:38 PM
#1164
a second makes a big diffierence. The IS 500 will of covered about 40 feet more than the 350 when they both hit 60 mph.
09-04-21, 05:43 PM
#1165
^^ That is insane!! I am so happy I got such a great deal on my IS350 so that if crap hits the fan with the 500, I am still paying a super low lease and got a great deal. It makes the deal I offered my friend to take over my lease even more attractive than ever before for him
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09-04-21, 06:09 PM
#1166
And a little further down the road, a general rule for the 1/4 mile is a car length is about 1/10 of a second. The IS 500 will be 10+ car lengths ahead easily. That's a big difference!
09-04-21, 09:11 PM
#1168
Pole Position
09-04-21, 10:42 PM
#1169
Just from my perspective of the way things are going, I won’t be able to get Msrp or less on the is5 till a few months into next year. Lc500/c might be on the horizons as the hype is done on that car.
On a positive note 6 more days! Please don’t be over 63k full tilt!
09-04-21, 10:49 PM
#1170
its actually not bad compared to what other dealers/brands has been doing well before this **** market.
Anyways just trying to share some knowledge and contribute to fellow enthusiasts. Believe me, my Butt hurts too.