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Took my car in today for its 5k mile oil change and multi point inspection and informed the dealer of the bumper separation. Here are the pictures from when I first got the car to now where the separation is definitely more noticeable. I will await to see if Lexus can come up with a permanent fix before the dealer does any work on this.
Took my car in today for its 5k mile oil change and multi point inspection and informed the dealer of the bumper separation. Here are the pictures from when I first got the car to now where the separation is definitely more noticeable. I will await to see if Lexus can come up with a permanent fix before the dealer does any work on this.
big yikes. You do have it bad. Lexus has to develop a recall perm fix for this. They have to.
I also took mine in to the dealership so they can document the issue. They checked under the bumper to see if it was caused by hitting anything... it was pristine, of course. Signed a form so both parties are aware this has been documented.
The more we can get documented by the dealers to send up the chain, the better our odds for a fix.
I also took mine in to the dealership so they can document the issue. They checked under the bumper to see if it was caused by hitting anything... it was pristine, of course. Signed a form so both parties are aware this has been documented.
The more we can get documented by the dealers to send up the chain, the better our odds for a fix.
Scraping anything under the bumper doesn’t cause this problem. The more forms people to sign to acknowledge this lie the worse it is for everyone.
Wait, what? Letting the dealership know that people are having this issue will reduce our chances of getting a permanent fix...? Explain to me what the logic is. We clearly know this is not caused by scraping- I have no scrapes (as mentioned in my post).
They had to check under the bumper to ensure Lexus does not come back and say it is a collision based issue. Covering bother parties.
Wait, what? Letting the dealership know that people are having this issue will reduce our chances of getting a permanent fix...? Explain to me what the logic is. We clearly know this is not caused by scraping- I have no scrapes (as mentioned in my post).
They had to check under the bumper to ensure Lexus does not come back and say it is a collision based issue. Covering bother parties.
My logic is if the form you signed says anywhere that your car is not scraped, then that is bad, because in caveman terms it sets the precedent: no scrape = no separation, and logically implies, scrape = separation. Then in months or years in the future when people come in inevitably with minor scrapes under their bumper the dealer may point to forms like this signed by early owners, and deny coverage.
Now...if it doesn't say anything about the current condition of your bumper vis-a-vis scraping then this is all moot and we are all covered .
My logic is if the form you signed says anywhere that your car is not scraped, then that is bad, because in caveman terms it sets the precedent: no scrape = no separation, and logically implies, scrape = separation. Then in months or years in the future when people come in inevitably with minor scrapes under their bumper the dealer may point to forms like this signed by early owners, and deny coverage.
Now...if it doesn't say anything about the current condition of your bumper vis-a-vis scraping then this is all moot and we are all covered .
My dealership, at least, was ready to point the finger at any scrapes causing the issue. It would be hard to believe they’re the only ones with that logic.
Thanks for the caveman terms; you’re so helpful. 🙄
My dealership, at least, was ready to point the finger at any scrapes causing the issue. It would be hard to believe they’re the only ones with that logic.
Thanks for the caveman terms; you’re so helpful. 🙄
So if the separation happens to you and you happen to a little scrape, what do you think they'll tell you? I just don't understand what the purpose of "documenting this issue" is when your car is perfectly fine.
If anyone should do this, it should be me, since I have a minor scrape and a perfect bumper.
So if the separation happens to you and you happen to a little scrape, what do you think they'll tell you? I just don't understand what the purpose of "documenting this issue" is when your car is perfectly fine.
If anyone should do this, it should be me, since I have a minor scrape and a perfect bumper.
To document my separation…? Do you need coffee, my man?
Do it. Go document that you have “a perfect bumper” and scraped your stuff. To show both sides of the coin.
I have this issue as well, it's fairly noticable. I'm thinking of using VHB tape to fix it. My only concern is if the VHB tape might be too noticable or if I have to take the bumper off I might damage it.
If Lexus planned to put a V8 engine into a model, it would have taken this into consideration at the very beginning of the design, to make sure it does not need to lengthen/change the front so prominently to make room for the V8. For example the GS, RC and LC - their engine bay packaging can naturally fit a V8 without modification. A heavier engine put in a car which you do not plan to during the initial design, will lead to significant different stress dynamics and distribution. Without extensive car body structure overhaul, unexpected problems will happen.
The root cause of the separation is: the IS front subframe/structure is not strong enough to bear the extra weight of the V8 engine, which means when driving on uneven road surfaces, the larger torsional stress (because of the heavier engine) generated between the front wheels will cause excessive "micro twists" effect to the front end, this high frequency small deformation will constantly wiggle the front bumper cover attached to it. Finally the clips that hold the cover to the front fender will give up and fail, and leads to the separation. Because the twist is originated from the bottom of the front end (the engine mount on front subframe), the small deformation of the fender's shape is more prominent on upper side of the vehicle, this is the reason why the separation always starts from the top of the bumper cover.
The reason why some owner see this issue but some do not, is mainly due to the local road condition of where the owner lives and drives the vehicle. If he/she lives in an area with very good road condition, most roads are flat without potholes, uneven expansion joints etc., then the front bumper cover clips can hold up longer; or vice versa, they will fail sooner.
There are 2 options to address this issue:
(1). Beef up the IS500's front structure (highly unlikely due to high cost);
(2). Use stronger bumper clips that will not fail so easily.
If Lexus did not redesign the parts in question from the fundamental level, every fix attempt will be temporary, and the issue will come back again.
The reason why some owner see this issue but some do not, is mainly due to the local road condition of where the owner lives and drives the vehicle. If he/she lives in an area with very good road condition, most roads are flat without potholes, uneven expansion joints etc., then the front bumper cover clips can hold up longer; or vice versa, they will fail sooner..
…but you’re not saying going up to the mountains and enjoying the insanely twisty roads is a problem, right?
If Lexus planned to put a V8 engine into a model, it would have taken this into consideration at the very beginning of the design, to make sure it does not need to lengthen/change the front so prominently to make room for the V8. For example the GS, RC and LC - their engine bay packaging can naturally fit a V8 without modification. A heavier engine put in a car which you do not plan to during the initial design, will lead to significant different stress dynamics and distribution. Without extensive car body structure overhaul, unexpected problems will happen.
The root cause of the separation is: the IS front subframe/structure is not strong enough to bear the extra weight of the V8 engine, which means when driving on uneven road surfaces, the larger torsional stress (because of the heavier engine) generated between the front wheels will cause excessive "micro twists" effect to the front end, this high frequency small deformation will constantly wiggle the front bumper cover attached to it. Finally the clips that hold the cover to the front fender will give up and fail, and leads to the separation. Because the twist is originated from the bottom of the front end (the engine mount on front subframe), the small deformation of the fender's shape is more prominent on upper side of the vehicle, this is the reason why the separation always starts from the top of the bumper cover.
The reason why some owner see this issue but some do not, is mainly due to the local road condition of where the owner lives and drives the vehicle. If he/she lives in an area with very good road condition, most roads are flat without potholes, uneven expansion joints etc., then the front bumper cover clips can hold up longer; or vice versa, they will fail sooner.
There are 2 options to address this issue:
(1). Beef up the IS500's front structure (highly unlikely due to high cost);
(2). Use stronger bumper clips that will not fail so easily.
Most owners are seeing the issue only on the driver's side. If it's being twisted and wiggled, would that not result in both sides having the issue?
I think the simplest answer here is probably the right one. The clip used on the driver's side right now is not strong enough for its application.
09-02-22, 04:57 PM
Separation keeps getting worse
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