ffpowerLN

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Being an IS350 owner and were very impressed after experiencing the IS-F dyno 1/4-mile run I've made a gentlemen's bet with a fellow member in the Edmunds Inside Line Forum.

Here's the link: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/Web...f86f/5002#5002

The bet is on which one will finish ahead of another in 5 future major comparos (C&D, R&T, MT, Automobile and Edmunds). If the IS-F gets 3 out of 5 nods over the C63 AMG, I win. If it's the other way around, he wins. If there are other cars in the comparo (likely the M3 will be included) then only the ranking of the IS-F and C63 will be taken into consideration. The result will be based on editor's final picks instead of each performance stats.

Even it's just a gentlemen's bet and only bragging right is on the line but I want to win this one sooooo frigging bad.

What do you guys think of my chance? Be honest please...

STIG

To be honest with you, your chances aren't very good.

C63 is one hell of a car (as per magazine race) and seems like a lot of magazine prefer C63 over M3 which is also one hell of a car. Now, I am not sure about how good both C63 and M3 are since I have never driven one or see one yet, but I too have also experienced IS-F, and it was brilliant.

caymandive

iTrader: (2)

My bet would be on the C64, but my hope would be on the IS-F.

ffpowerLN

iTrader: (1)

Don't forget all comparos do take price into consideration (not a big factor but it is a factor). The reason I made the bet is having the following assumptions:

1. IS-F will match C63's performance in terms of cornering stability/speed, slalom and skid pad.

2. IS-F will not be more than 0.2 second slower than the C63 in 0-60 and 1/4-mile times.

3. IS-F will undercut C63's price by at least $10K ($55K vs. $65K)

If all 3 assumptions become reality then I really like my chance. The wild card here will be those biased editors...

05RollaXRS

If you are worried about the IS-F being crowned the "King of all GT sports cars" (this is a Lexus board, ofcourse), you will be disappointed. There is a lot more to worry about than the C63 AMG.

- Audi RS5 is being released next spring with a 4.2 Liter (powering the current 414 HP RS4) with twin turbo engine pushing out 500+ HP and enormous potential.

- The M3 is already proving to be one hell of an awesome performer around a race track with rave reviews by American and European critics and out performing the heavier RS4 and running less than 8:00 mins on the Nurburgring (something the IS-F could not do during months of testing at Nurburgring) and with low-4 second (4.3 secs) to 60 mph and mid-12s to 1/4 mile, it is not slow in a straight line either.

- C63 will be a great straight line performer, but AMGs have never been known for track performance.

STIG

But this AMG C63 will perform pretty awesome on the track as well.

STIG

Exactly. I really hope IS-F will match C63 in terms of performance, but it has 1.3L of displacement deficit in power plant department.

is-fan

The C63 and IS-F are the ones I'm most interested in. The M3 is probably a great track car, but I just don't think I would enjoy it as much as a daily driver. Cars with more torque are more fun around town, and we know the C63 and IS-F will have more torque than the M3. I'm really looking forward to the comparisons, but would want to test drive all of them myself.

Yeah!

Where did you hear the RS5 is being released next Spring? The next RS to be announced is the RS6 w/the Lambo v10 & twin turbochargers. The only thing I've heard about the 5-series is that the S5 is coming out this December (in the U.S.) & the A5 next Spring. If that's true about the RS5 then that's gonna be hot!


So the new M3 is running less than 8:00 mins on the N'ring?!? Awesome, link please? Where did you read/hear the IS-F couldn't do less than 8:00 mins on the N'ring? Not that I don't believe you about the IS-F but I would like to read more about it, thx!

inxexisten

8 minutes isnt that impressive the old skylines can do that and the new skyline gtr coming out next year has been doing the N'ring in the low 7 minutes and the cheapest production model starts at roughly 55k. I doubt the Is-F is having trouble getting an 8 minute time.

Larry96815

I have never owned any "wild" MBs but after 2 MBs and 2 Lexus, my vote goes with the MB C63. Sorry, just my opinion. (which means nothing )

Aloha

05RollaXRS

I was saying spring 2008, but looks like it will be released sooner than that:

http://www.autospies.com/news/Audi-R...ly-2008-15280/

The M3 lap time proof I found was for 8:06 (faster by 3.5 seconds than the fastest lap of the 507 HP M5, which is 8:10). (source: Wheels magazine, Australia September 2007).


Here is the most current list of cars that run less than 8:00. A regular M3 cannot be compared to Skyline because the M3 is a full luxury sports car and the Skylines are more focused sports cars that generally running are not bone stock. The new GT-R has run 7:58, but then again it is in a different class. The 8:06 time is for a bone stock M3. Not to mention, the E46 CSL runs faster than modded Skylines (7:50). The M3 GTR is currently the fastest car at the ring.

6:49 - BMW M3-GTR (race version), 480 PS/1100kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
6:55 - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (28 Sep 2005)
7:12 - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03)
7:14 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 398 PS/760 kg, Michael Duchting (sport auto 11/05)
7:15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, de:Patrick Simon (sport auto 09/05)
7:18 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duchting (sport auto 12/04)
7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg, Walter Rohrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7.32 - Porsche Carrera GT (Sport Auto Trophy, driven by Horst von Saurma)
7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority)
7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1432 kg (Gemballa)
7:33 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (sport auto 05/06)
7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Rohrl
7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h), Lucas Luhr (Autobild 07/04)
7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg, Walter Rohrl (Automobil 05/06)
7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05) (news release, pictures)
7.429 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)
7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 - Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg (sport auto 02/05)
7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS (sport tyres) [citation needed]
7:47 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear (sport tyres) (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg (sport auto 07/06)
7:49 - Helmut Dahne, Honda VFR750R
7:50 - Fausto "Faustone" Severi Rsv1000R-Gsxr1000 vs Dahne (SuperWheels's Pattuglia Acrobatica 2002)
7:50 - Westfield Megabusa, 180 PS/440 kg [citation needed]
7:50 - Lamborghini Murcielago, (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 - BMW X5 E53 LM, BMW Lemans V-12 engine 750 bhp, Hans-Joachim Stuck (EVO magazine 08/2005)
7:50 - BMW M3 E46 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:52 - Porsche 996 GT3 (381 hp) [citation needed]
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo [citation needed]
7:55 - Caterham R500 Superlight, 233 PS/460 kg, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:55 - Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)
7:56 - Honda NSX-R (NA2), 280 PS/31kgm/1270 kg, Incomplete lap by 30 metres, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 08/02)
7:56 - Porsche 996 Turbo (sport auto 06/00)
7:56 - Ferrari 360 stradale (sport tyres) (sport auto 02/04)
7:57 - Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo (600 hp, racing suspension) [citation needed]
7:59 - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, Walter Rohrl, (WHEELS 06/04)
7:59 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, Dirk Schoymans, unknown modifications (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:59 - Dodge Viper SRT-10 (11/05) Motor Trend
7:59 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51,405 PS/1481 kg, driver Dave Hill (manufacturer claim)
7:59 - Subaru Impreza Sti Spec-C (Prototype), 280 PS/1370 kg (Subaru News 2004 [1])
8:01 - Bugatti EB 110 Supersport, 610 PS/1410 kg [citation needed]
8:01 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, 280 PS/37.5 kgf·m/1540 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R33 GT-R])
8:02 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series, 507 PS/ 1790 kg (autobild 07/07)
8:03 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005), 380 bhp/1570 kg (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 - Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:03 - Honda NSX-R (NA1), 280 PS/30 kgf·m/1230 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 02/06)
8:06 - Subaru WRX STi Spec-C prototype, 280 PS/42 kgf·m/1370 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring International video "NISMO Beast Unleashed")
8:07 - Ferrari 550 [citation needed]
8:07 - BMW Z8 E52, 400 PS/1615 kg (autobild.de 06/01)
8:09 - Lamborghini Diablo SV [citation needed]
8:09 - Ferrari 360 Modena [citation needed]
8:09 - BMW M6 E63 (sport tyres) [limited to 259 km/h] (sport auto 12/05)
8:09 - Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg, sport tires, suspension modification (sport auto 08/02)
8:10 - Chrysler Viper GTS (Sport Auto 10/97)
8:10 - BMW M5 E60, 507 PS
8:11 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR prototype, 280 PS/40.8 kgf·m/1420 kg, Takayuki Kino****a (Best Motoring International video "Carrera Invasion")
8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 hp version) [citation needed]
8:13 - BMW M5 E60, 507 PS (sport auto 12/04)

Ramon

That's a big "IF" I don't think #1 will happen personally.

vraa

iTrader: (2)

Buahaha.
Bow down in the C63's might!

AMG says the 6.3 liter monster in the C63 is "unstressed"

Vadim over at mbworld.org is already working on a supercharger for this monster.

Now ask yourself this -- how long until IS-F's are going to get turbo-ed or supercharged ---> or even better yet! --> how long until Toyota releases and IS-Fh featuring hybrid motors that are there for HP rather than fuel economy?

I already count the M3 out for forced induction because those numbers show it really pushing things, I think it'll be like the E46 M3 (which isn't a bad thing at all, lots of folks prefer that and it has it's own areas where it excels).

PhilipMSPT

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Daily driver/racer = IS-F.

Weekend showgirl = C63.

Track car = both will kick ****...