Just got an IS-F!!!
#61
* I really like the IS350 but, in my opinion, Lexus dropped the ball on the IS-F. They gave the car very good (from what I've read) acceleration, handling, and braking. This makes the car competitive with others in its class (M3, RS4, C63). But Lexus blew it and didn't make this a different looking enough. The people that want this car not only want the performance but they want a different look to go with it.
#62
If you're talking to me, you obviously don't comprehend English very well.
I can tell the difference. I was commenting on the obvious differences which, in my opinion, just aren't enough. I'm a Lexus owner (two of them) and a performance car enthusiast who knows enough about cars to understand the difference between an IS350 and an IS-F (3-series and M3, etc.). Read my post again and if you don't see the point of my comments or don't value my opinion that would be your problem not mine.
#63
You're going to be very happy because there really isn't much difference. Sure the front end is a bit longer due to the V8. There are the side vents and integrated lower body molding and there's the quad pipes. Other than that and the IS-F badging it's an IS350 and the interior is quite similar too. Different instrumentation and seats and of course the materials are different but to the average non-enthusiast, the IS-F will seem to be just like the IS350 or 250 inside and out.
#64
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (10)
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 13,441
Likes: 1,064
From: Under an IS F since 2008
Congrats to your Dad on the new purchase...
If you can try to take some detailed pics of the real muffler exhaust tips and how they finally decided to route them into the faux tips in the bumper
There have been at least 3-6 IS-F's sold in CA (if not more) within the last 5 days..
The cars started hitting the dealerships approx 1/28-1/30 (off the trucks)
Many of them were picked up the next day after the PDI was completed..
I know Longo had their 1st one delivered this week and it was pre-sold & picked up shortly after... I don't think it was even their longer than 1-2 days..
Many of the high # yeilding dealerships in CA, got their 1st IS-F delivered this past week.
Joe Z
If you can try to take some detailed pics of the real muffler exhaust tips and how they finally decided to route them into the faux tips in the bumper
There have been at least 3-6 IS-F's sold in CA (if not more) within the last 5 days..
The cars started hitting the dealerships approx 1/28-1/30 (off the trucks)
Many of them were picked up the next day after the PDI was completed..
I know Longo had their 1st one delivered this week and it was pre-sold & picked up shortly after... I don't think it was even their longer than 1-2 days..
Many of the high # yeilding dealerships in CA, got their 1st IS-F delivered this past week.
Joe Z
#65
As I already expressed, I (not to mention others who have posted on this forum) are not very happy because it's far too different from the base IS for our tastes. Of course, that isn't keeping most of us from appreciating the car for what it is.
I'm sorry that you feel Lexus "dropped the ball" only because there aren't enough different physical characteristics tailored to your liking, but outside of this very limited personal opinion, you should keep in mind that there are plenty of people who have expressed dissatisfaction in the opposite direction.
I wouldn't mind an SMG as it'd result in more power to the wheels, but it's Lexus we're talking about here - I doubt it's going to happen.
I'm sorry that you feel Lexus "dropped the ball" only because there aren't enough different physical characteristics tailored to your liking, but outside of this very limited personal opinion, you should keep in mind that there are plenty of people who have expressed dissatisfaction in the opposite direction.
I wouldn't mind an SMG as it'd result in more power to the wheels, but it's Lexus we're talking about here - I doubt it's going to happen.
#66
why would a non enthusiast even care about M, AMG, RS, F models, and why would you care if they could tell the difference or not. The halo models arent trying to please or attract non enthusiasts
#70
Do you really need to ask me those questions?
Of course non-enthusiasts care about halo models. They buy them all the time but often not for the same reasons the enthusiasts buy them for.
I don't care if they can tell the difference or not.
Halo models don't please anyone but the car manufacturers do with their halo models
In this segment, the target for the manufacturers is the M3 which is the class/segment leader and has been for years. The M3 is recognized as the leader and BMW does what it wants while others need to try to compete.
Does the M3 appear to be different than the standard 3 series cars? You bet. But what they do, as I said, doesn't matter as much. In my opinion, the issue is how the followers (competitors) compete.
In my opinion, Lexus did a fine job with the performance but IMO, they didn't do enough with the rest of the car to get it a 2nd look by potential buyers nor to people like me who see this car for what it really is - an IS350 clone with higher performance.
Performance enthusiasts often make more changes to their stock cars than Lexus did to the IS-F. And that may be the answer for some - to change the appearance of their IS-Fs.
I'm not down on the IS-F. I know Lexus will sell every one of them. But I still think (my opinion) that they dropped the ball and didn't go far enough with the exterior and the interior of the car to make it different (note that I didn't say "make it better"). The IS-F is clearly a better performer but drop the badging, the quad pipes and the side vent/skirt and it's an IS350. Good for some but not for me.
#72
Guest
Posts: n/a
Does the M3 appear to be different than the standard 3 series cars? You bet. But what they do, as I said, doesn't matter as much. In my opinion, the issue is how the followers (competitors) compete.
In my opinion, Lexus did a fine job with the performance but IMO, they didn't do enough with the rest of the car to get it a 2nd look by potential buyers nor to people like me who see this car for what it really is - an IS350 clone with higher performance.
Performance enthusiasts often make more changes to their stock cars than Lexus did to the IS-F. And that may be the answer for some - to change the appearance of their IS-Fs.
I'm not down on the IS-F. I know Lexus will sell every one of them. But I still think (my opinion) that they dropped the ball and didn't go far enough with the exterior and the interior of the car to make it different (note that I didn't say "make it better"). The IS-F is clearly a better performer but drop the badging, the quad pipes and the side vent/skirt and it's an IS350. Good for some but not for me.
#74
I'm not down on the IS-F. I know Lexus will sell every one of them. But I still think (my opinion) that they dropped the ball and didn't go far enough with the exterior and the interior of the car to make it different (note that I didn't say "make it better"). The IS-F is clearly a better performer but drop the badging, the quad pipes and the side vent/skirt and it's an IS350. Good for some but not for me.
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 02-03-08 at 08:22 PM.