Originally Posted by rominl

i agree with most of your points but not on the ls600hl. it has awd, you can't just purely look at the gas mileage numbers, awd always get worse gas mileage. if you read the ls460 forum, an owner with ls460 and now ls600hl got better gas mileage

cars in this league, looking at 0-60 is a mood point. it's the high end pick up speed where they shine. just like most other v12, look at the pick up speed above 60mph, the 600hl picks up much better than the ls460 all the way to 120 or 130

but again, you did bring up a very good point about hybrid system put too much weight burden to make a car fast in the mid 4 range, let alone the handling

Originally Posted by timeToy

I have a '07 GS450h (that I trying to sell...) and just moved to the '08 IS-F. Thanks to the Hybrid power train the GS450h has a fantastic pick-up, linear, silent, powerful, it is really hard to match or beat it, the GS 450h has a lot of power from 20 to 50 or from 60 to 80, but that about it, you will be able to accelerate very hard for 4 to 6 seconds, not more... My GS 450h is modified, lowered, with a high flow intake and exhaust, performance tires, and some suspension braces, yet it doesn't even come close to the handling, power and overall tight feeling of the IS-F...

Now the IS-F is my car, it is not a family car, not a representation car, not a commuter car, it is a pleasure car, and that's exactly what I was looking for...

Originally Posted by rdgdawg

This is the EXACT example I was speaking about... and I LOVE your car, would be PMing you if I was ready to pull the trigger... I LOVE the IS-F and your GS450h is amazing (and gives me pause to again be sure I have eliminated all car options).

Again my concern here is the ride over bad pavement in WI + rear seating, but for short trips the back wasn't so bad in my old IS... and I keep hearing about great mileage for IS-F on freeway... this will be my daily driver, so I believe once I drove the GS450h for a while I would come to the same conclusion.... want the sportiness and "raw animal" characteristics of the IS-F...

GREAT FEEDBACK!!!

Originally Posted by btwanky

i must admit... the IS-F does it great gas millage on the highway on cruise control... i would get like 27, 28... but i drive pretty rough in the city... and currently only getting anywhere between 11-12.......

Originally Posted by btwanky

well.. if im not mistaken.. i believe most hybrids are awd in order to get the most energy to charge the batteries? (by breaking?) and by doing so already have the the capability of making it a AWD vehicle? i donno though....

I know the GS450hl isnt AWD.. but somehow the LS600 is getting a extra 40 HP.. cause the 5.0 Liter 2UR-FSE engine only puts of 389HP while the 2UR-GSE (IS-F) Engine is 416 (Possible 417) depends on how they measure it

Originally Posted by vrferrari

I understand and it your decision makes sense. The IS car fit your taste and had ample interior space for your needs. I'm wondering if you would have been coming from a GS class car (meaning space wise), if you would have given up the interior comfort for the performance aspect.

Originally Posted by CaThaFeR

before i had my is250 i had a camry so i was used to a little more room inside. but i dont have kids and i never put anyone in my back seat. i do however fill my trunk and sometimes back seat every morning picking up mail for my job before i go in... the IS has just enough room for me... but i do see how for some people a GS-F would be a better fit

Originally Posted by btwanky

well.. to my prior knowledge.. the 2012 model year (starting august 2011) the GS-F will be out... and is suppose to have the same engine as the LF-A a 4.8 liter 552hp N.A. engine...