MHP ECU/TCU Thread (updated with v1 gains: Graphs/Spreadsheet Breakdown)
11-25-08, 07:43 AM
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I find this topic very interesting, BTW Andy I shot you an email a day ago about the IS-F. I wondering if you could work on or even crack the Toyota ECU. Maybe someone can volunteer there IS-F and let him work on it and see what happens. I am curios to see what Lexus has left on the plate. But as zak mentioned my worries is about engine/transmission longetivity.
11-25-08, 01:27 PM
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This is interesting and I think there would be a market just as there is with BMW and Merc. My biggest concern is the fact that there is no credible documented history with your firm tuning Lexus/Toyota and the "F" in particular.
What you guys should do is find a guinea pig and offer to flash the F at no cost and document the results. I would be much more interested if I could see the track and dyno results. If the gains are as big as you claim they will be, honestly I do not think $4500 is all that bad. If TRD ever comes out with a supercharger for this car it will be in excess of $4500, but then again you get the comfort of the warranty.
11-25-08, 01:57 PM
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Only one question - do you have any experience on Scion/Toyota/Lexus? If you don't, you're blowing smoke about being able to change anything. I have personal contacts in your industry who are well known for Audi/Porsche tuning - they've been working on Toyota's encryption for about 2 years now and still don't have it.
So, have you done this or are you claiming you can do it without actually having successfully flashed a unit yet? The list of claimants is long - World Tuning, Cobb Tuning, and a host of others have said they "will do it." So far, since I first started working this issue in 1997 with the Supra ECM, no one has been able to access Toyota's code and change it.
If you're not doing a reflash, then you've got a piggyback emulator.
What are you really claiming you can do?
So, have you done this or are you claiming you can do it without actually having successfully flashed a unit yet? The list of claimants is long - World Tuning, Cobb Tuning, and a host of others have said they "will do it." So far, since I first started working this issue in 1997 with the Supra ECM, no one has been able to access Toyota's code and change it.
If you're not doing a reflash, then you've got a piggyback emulator.
What are you really claiming you can do?
This.
Toyotas ECUs are Infamous. It's in my long term life plan to be able to....
"understand and work with it"
. However, If you haven't done it already and haven't even tried, You shouldn't be singing that tune you are.
11-25-08, 04:17 PM
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If you are producing such increases in power what is done so the increased power does not overburden the longevity of the engine and transmission?
I realize you stated there have been no reports of failure that you are aware of but what DO you do to make sure of that? Are you just hoping that the engine and transmission are robust enough as they come from the manufacturer?
I realize you stated there have been no reports of failure that you are aware of but what DO you do to make sure of that? Are you just hoping that the engine and transmission are robust enough as they come from the manufacturer?
We have a combined 35+ years of tuning experience of all makes/models and types of driveline combos. PD blowers (roots, twin screws, TVSs), Centrifugal superchargers, single and twin turbo (plus spray) apps, N/A, small, moderate and large displacement, pushrod and OHC.
We also have contacts within the industry that give us access to info that I'm not sure anyone else is privy to.
11-25-08, 04:19 PM
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I find this topic very interesting, BTW Andy I shot you an email a day ago about the IS-F. I wondering if you could work on or even crack the Toyota ECU. Maybe someone can volunteer there IS-F and let him work on it and see what happens. I am curios to see what Lexus has left on the plate. But as zak mentioned my worries is about engine/transmission longetivity.
11-25-08, 04:25 PM
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This is interesting and I think there would be a market just as there is with BMW and Merc. My biggest concern is the fact that there is no credible documented history with your firm tuning Lexus/Toyota and the "F" in particular.
What you guys should do is find a guinea pig and offer to flash the F at no cost and document the results. I would be much more interested if I could see the track and dyno results. If the gains are as big as you claim they will be, honestly I do not think $4500 is all that bad. If TRD ever comes out with a supercharger for this car it will be in excess of $4500, but then again you get the comfort of the warranty.
Putting a supercharger on such a relatively high static C/R motor is a bad idea. I laughed pretty hard as a MB/AMG competitor tried for 4 mos to put a KB 2.6 twin screw on a 6.2/4v AMG 63. 11.3:1 static C/R doesn't play too well with boost lol.
If voiding warranty is your main concern you shouldn't be too worried. We're not going to blow your motor (we've never lost one, if we did you'd hear about it on the net, trust me) and you're dealer doesn't have the ability to see the changes in code we make. If you're uber worried just buy a spare ECU have it vin synched and send it out. Then you can swap back to stock in a matter of minutes.
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11-25-08, 04:28 PM
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It's all binary code and as long as the check sums add up your control unit won't revert back to stock or become corrupt and will never see a CEL/MIL.
11-25-08, 04:33 PM
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Sorry, not to be the pessimist, but how they claim to be able to crack the code in 7-10 days....when no one else has been able to do it at all seems strange??
11-25-08, 05:06 PM
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Sorry, not to be the pessimist, but how they claim to be able to crack the code in 7-10 days....when no one else has been able to do it at all seems strange??
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11-25-08, 05:54 PM
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With all due respect, I don't think any company is above building credibility within a new market niche and as such marketing themselves accordingly.
Stepping into a car club and claiming you can do this or do that without proving yourself just does not cut it in today's world especially in light of mounting skeptism and at a cost of $4,500. Personally, I don't see why you don't offer to tune a member's F or any F for that matter and prove your product. In the end it would amount to a damn cheap marketing expense and one that if you prove yourself in the Lexus/Toyota world you will make it back 10-fold. Even Dinan offers to tune new models at no cost in order to build on their market credibility. Certainly if your business could do without new business you would not be on here making a case for yourself.
I would certainly not fork over $4,500 on an unproven product and go through the hassel of trying to screw around with you guys to get my money back because the result does not live up to expectations, not to mention the potential for damage to my car which you guys do not cover. Otherwise, good luck and by all means report back if you find someone that's willing to fork over their car for this upgrade because I am all for plunking down my hard earned money for a proven product.
Stepping into a car club and claiming you can do this or do that without proving yourself just does not cut it in today's world especially in light of mounting skeptism and at a cost of $4,500. Personally, I don't see why you don't offer to tune a member's F or any F for that matter and prove your product. In the end it would amount to a damn cheap marketing expense and one that if you prove yourself in the Lexus/Toyota world you will make it back 10-fold. Even Dinan offers to tune new models at no cost in order to build on their market credibility. Certainly if your business could do without new business you would not be on here making a case for yourself.
I would certainly not fork over $4,500 on an unproven product and go through the hassel of trying to screw around with you guys to get my money back because the result does not live up to expectations, not to mention the potential for damage to my car which you guys do not cover. Otherwise, good luck and by all means report back if you find someone that's willing to fork over their car for this upgrade because I am all for plunking down my hard earned money for a proven product.
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11-25-08, 06:30 PM
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Agreed 100%
I think your company needs to put up or shut up(no dis respect meant) Yes everyone has said no one has been able to tune a toyota......but maybe just maybe since everyone says it cant be done no one has even tried! I would hope that you could tune the ISF because that would make this great car even better.
Again you should offer to either tune someones car for free(with all damages,expenses etc.. on your dime) to prove your companys ability.
I for one would think it would be awesome if we had a legit ECU/TCU mod and would probably purchase it for my ISF if the results were proven.
The ball (and profits) are really in your court MHP
I think your company needs to put up or shut up(no dis respect meant) Yes everyone has said no one has been able to tune a toyota......but maybe just maybe since everyone says it cant be done no one has even tried! I would hope that you could tune the ISF because that would make this great car even better.
Again you should offer to either tune someones car for free(with all damages,expenses etc.. on your dime) to prove your companys ability.
I for one would think it would be awesome if we had a legit ECU/TCU mod and would probably purchase it for my ISF if the results were proven.
The ball (and profits) are really in your court MHP
With all due respect, I don't think any company is above building credibility within a new market niche and as such marketing themselves accordingly.
Stepping into a car club and claiming you can do this or do that without proving yourself just does not cut it in today's world especially in light of mounting skeptism and at a cost of $4,500. Personally, I don't see why you don't offer to tune a member's F or any F for that matter and prove your product. In the end it would amount to a damn cheap marketing expense and one that if you prove yourself in the Lexus/Toyota world you will make it back 10-fold. Even Dinan offers to tune new models at no cost in order to build on their market credibility. Certainly if your business could do without new business you would not be on here making a case for yourself.
I would certainly not plunk down $4,500 on an unproven product for a Lexus and go through the hassel of trying to screw around with you guys to get my money back because the result does not live up to expectations, not to mention the potential for damage to my car which you guys do not cover. Otherwise, good luck and by all means report back if you find someone that's willing to fork over their car for this upgrade because I am all for plunking down my hard earned money for a proven product.
Stepping into a car club and claiming you can do this or do that without proving yourself just does not cut it in today's world especially in light of mounting skeptism and at a cost of $4,500. Personally, I don't see why you don't offer to tune a member's F or any F for that matter and prove your product. In the end it would amount to a damn cheap marketing expense and one that if you prove yourself in the Lexus/Toyota world you will make it back 10-fold. Even Dinan offers to tune new models at no cost in order to build on their market credibility. Certainly if your business could do without new business you would not be on here making a case for yourself.
I would certainly not plunk down $4,500 on an unproven product for a Lexus and go through the hassel of trying to screw around with you guys to get my money back because the result does not live up to expectations, not to mention the potential for damage to my car which you guys do not cover. Otherwise, good luck and by all means report back if you find someone that's willing to fork over their car for this upgrade because I am all for plunking down my hard earned money for a proven product.
11-25-08, 06:45 PM
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MHP,
I am excited, but doubtful with your claims. Anyone that can tune a Lexus/Toyota with its current computer is certainly on to something. I have never seen a successful tune or piggyback for a Lexus/Toyota. All have required a standalone system. I hope our negative attitudes and doubts don't scare you off. Prove us wrong!
I am excited, but doubtful with your claims. Anyone that can tune a Lexus/Toyota with its current computer is certainly on to something. I have never seen a successful tune or piggyback for a Lexus/Toyota. All have required a standalone system. I hope our negative attitudes and doubts don't scare you off. Prove us wrong!
11-25-08, 07:07 PM
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With all due respect, I don't think any company is above building credibility within a new market niche and as such marketing themselves accordingly.
Stepping into a car club and claiming you can do this or do that without proving yourself just does not cut it in today's world especially in light of mounting skeptism and at a cost of $4,500. Personally, I don't see why you don't offer to tune a member's F or any F for that matter and prove your product. In the end it would amount to a damn cheap marketing expense and one that if you prove yourself in the Lexus/Toyota world you will make it back 10-fold. Even Dinan offers to tune new models at no cost in order to build on their market credibility. Certainly if your business could do without new business you would not be on here making a case for yourself.
I would certainly not fork over $4,500 on an unproven product and go through the hassel of trying to screw around with you guys to get my money back because the result does not live up to expectations, not to mention the potential for damage to my car which you guys do not cover. Otherwise, good luck and by all means report back if you find someone that's willing to fork over their car for this upgrade because I am all for plunking down my hard earned money for a proven product.
Stepping into a car club and claiming you can do this or do that without proving yourself just does not cut it in today's world especially in light of mounting skeptism and at a cost of $4,500. Personally, I don't see why you don't offer to tune a member's F or any F for that matter and prove your product. In the end it would amount to a damn cheap marketing expense and one that if you prove yourself in the Lexus/Toyota world you will make it back 10-fold. Even Dinan offers to tune new models at no cost in order to build on their market credibility. Certainly if your business could do without new business you would not be on here making a case for yourself.
I would certainly not fork over $4,500 on an unproven product and go through the hassel of trying to screw around with you guys to get my money back because the result does not live up to expectations, not to mention the potential for damage to my car which you guys do not cover. Otherwise, good luck and by all means report back if you find someone that's willing to fork over their car for this upgrade because I am all for plunking down my hard earned money for a proven product.
Second, we offer a 100% $ back guarantee, if you're not happy, you get your $ back. So there's no risk regardless of what make of vehicle you drive.
Third, we don't do free cals because we don't have to. We don't have to jump into this market either, we're busy enough with European tuning. Basic business sense dictates that it's not smart to spend 15-20hrs building a custom calibration for free when we can charge (and not hear complaints about pricing) to do that with other makes when we're already slammed with work.
Custom tuning is extremely time consuming, especially the TCU portion, it's not like flashing a canned tune. We are a premium tuner, with premium results, so again, we don't do anything for free.
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