All these what if's... If the IS-F had 330hp then people would take that into account when choosing that car the way it is. But I know for a fact it would not be the price of what the actuall "F" is and on top of that it would then probably drop back into the IS350/BMW 3 series class and people who are in the market for RS4/C63/M3 class would overlook it wouldn't they? So what are you trying to prove with this statement?

Again what is your point? Do you think that the RS4/C63/M3/IS-F should all have 700 hp?

See, your problem is that you are assuming that IS-F owners are concerned that the other rival cars are superior to the IS-F. That could not be father from the truth, we all choose our cars knowing exactly were its strengths and short commings were, and I speak for myself here, I am in no way concerned that the C63 makes more power and torque than the "F". You need to adjust your attitude the realise the fact that why some people here are not taking your post seriously is b/c no one really cares that "X" car has more power, so I will say again that in my case the car was bought for the entire package. So picking only on its de-merits will get you no where.

You are saying people are getting all upset and insulted b/c of lack of self confidence? Sigh ... Please stop assuming what people are thinking, you questions and statements are the reason you are getting the answers you are.

Keep the same engine as it is,it is bullet proof from what I have seen and make the car more luxurious all the while reducing weight without sacrifice to saftey and do more research of the suspension to improve handling and ride confort.

 

You remind me on thing, actually it's a question: does the Bugatti Veyron has navigation as an option?

Now please do not consider I am comparing car A to car B again. I just say navigation !=> luxury, and also luxury !=> navigation.

 

Hmm, cause you started this topic saying the IsF needs more Hp, saying our $50k car has basically the same Hp as a $28k camaro, wtf do you want us to think? of course we are going to assume this idiots trying to compare the speed of the isF to the very bang for the buck 400+hp camaro. I feel insulted not cause im lacking confidence, I feel insulted cause you are using a camaro as an example against our car. Not to sound conceited, but the camaro is a pos to me, by comparing a camaro to the isf, is almost like those idiots with the new Hyundai Genesis comparing it to the Mercedes S550. Im pretty sure most if not all Mercedes S class owner gonna feel insulted too.

 

HP numbers won't mean much in 10 years anyway. The way things are going we will all be driving electric cars anyway!

 

even tho i don't own one.

 

First, for good will please promise me, do not get angry while reading the following replies. I am not pointing at any specific person.


Dave, I'm not proving anything, they are all facts that no need to prove. What I try to convey is: for the current stage F, it's still not in the level like AM, Lambo, Bentley, RR etc. that no need to seriously caring much about HP. You must admit that, price tells everything.

Yes, for the current stage, a 500hp+ engine is better choice. For premium sports cars with MSRP in $50k - $90k, always keep at least 100hp higher than the $30k range sports car. My personal suggestion.

I have *never* written any sentence like 'IS-F owners are XXXXX', I just said 'someone xxxxxx', if I remember correctly, currently there is no law saying that if I write a post in car A forum, then the word 'someone' automatically = car A owners. Right? At least, not everyone that browses/writes this subforum need to be owning a F. Right? 'someone' is a generic word, it does not mean any specific person or group. If you feel I am pointing at a specific group, that's only your problem, not mine.

BTW, why do I have an 'attitude'? I don't have an attitude. You know me better than I am?

Again, I am not saying exactly who is belong to what I described.

Just think about: when you throw a small rock, if it hit nothing then there is no feedback; if it hit something, then you will get feedback. The more feedback generated, the bigger hit it gives. Therefore I am quite happy to see so many feedback.

If someone wrote millions of posts saying one sentence again and again 'the earth is flat', guess what will I do? - I don't care, I don't even bother to look at them.

That's a safe option. Let's induce the discussion into more technical topics, instead of quarrel. For example, I am wondering why the 2UR-GSE need 5L displacement to generate 416hp, but the S65B40 only need 4L displacement to generate 414hp? yes I know the former has higher torque, is it because to tune for a higher torque, we give in the hp?

 

seriously... is it the same guy on every forum I read, with a different user name?

 

Hey man, calm down! Technically I can't 'want you to think' anything, cauz I can't control your mind. I just asked if the ISF need a hp bump, you only need to say yes or no if you want to answer. All anger you generated is from yourself. The internet is virtual, you can't see me, I can't see you, you don't know who I am, I don't know who are you either; Reading the post, no one convince any one, no one lose any money, no one lose any property, no one lose his job, his real life unchanged. See my friend, all things around you unchanged, why you feel insulted and angry?

Man, car is just a car, no need to let yourself get angry just because a car, car is not your life; you, yourself are truly your life. It's been proven that keeping a peaceful mind, control temper will be very beneficial to human's health.

 

Actually, the Camaro SS engine generate more peak HP, and way more peak torque than the F's engine, it's SAE certified, or else you can sue GM to get $$$ back.

See, you are angry because 'our $50k car has basically the same Hp as a $28k camaro'. This is the sentence you wrote here, catch ya.

 

you guys have just confirmed why I recently gave up posting any new topics on this forum! This is suppose to be an outlet for IS-F enthusiasts who enjoy interacting with others that share a common interest. Not to be a source for confrontation and controversy. Now take a deep breath, ahhhh. Do you feel better now? Cheers

 

The most retarded comment in the gheyest thread ever to make the F forum.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about in regards to cars of this level. We already know that you don't own one, but you've probably never driven one of the super sedans either.

What a complete waste of thread space!

 

Oh **** , don't I feel stupid... You come to an IS-F forum, talk about HP numbers on an IS-F, get replies from people who own IS-F's, then talk about peoples subconscious inferiority complex of rival brands and you want me to think what exactly? Oh ,thats right you must have been talking about "other" people.
Here are your words,　read them carefully in the context of the thread.
I didn't say you have an attitude, I said you need to adjust yours to understand that a lot of owners did not choose the IS-F on HP numbers alone. Comprehension is your friend.





Again , I am lost as to why you would put AM, Lambo, Bentley, RR in a sentence as if they were on the same level. You are confused, clearly.



A $90K car does have more than 100hp than a $30K sports car. What is you point again? Oh, btw, $50K and $90K is a big difference in money on what type of car you can get, so why would you throw out numbers like that?









So are you trying to induce a flame war? There are ways to go about what you want to know...

 

And with that, I think we're done here. Let's not do this again.