Engine Metal Clicking Sound..Help!!
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#317
^^^^Go to the Lexus owners site here:
https://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrive...my-vehicles.do
Register yourself and register your VIN. It will give you a lot of information on the car as well as Warranty information and date of initial sale.
Lou
https://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrive...my-vehicles.do
Register yourself and register your VIN. It will give you a lot of information on the car as well as Warranty information and date of initial sale.
Lou
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#318
^^^^Go to the Lexus owners site here:
https://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrive...my-vehicles.do
Register yourself and register your VIN. It will give you a lot of information on the car as well as Warranty information and date of initial sale.
Lou
https://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrive...my-vehicles.do
Register yourself and register your VIN. It will give you a lot of information on the car as well as Warranty information and date of initial sale.
Lou
#319
More information - after perusing all the various seals, o-rings, and other consumables, I have a parts list for this task. It's not small. It includes everything you would need for a valve lash inspection because you're going to be taking off all that stuff just to get to the timing cover. You might have to remove the intake manifold as well - the FSM says yes, but I am doubtful. Regardless, if you have the valley plate leak, you're going to find it if you do this task. At any rate, here's the parts list including the part identified in the European TSB:
13507-31020 = 2 - Chain Sub-Assy, No. 2
13506-38030 = 2 - Chain Sub-Assy
13550-38020 = 1 - RH Tensioner Assy, Chain, No. 2
13560-38021 = 1 - LH Tensioner Assy, Chain, No. 3
13540-38020 = 1 - RH Tensioner Assy, Chain No.1
13540-38042 = 1 - LH Tensioner Assy, Chain No.1
13559-38030 = 1 - RH Slipper, Chain Tensioner
13559-38040 = 1 - LH Slipper, Chain Tensioner
13561-38060 = 1 - RH Damper, Chain Vibration, No. 1
13561-38070 = 1 - LH Damper, Chain Vibration, No. 1
90301-92004 = 2 - Ring, O(For Cam Timing Control Motor)
90311-42036 = 1 - Seal, Oil(For Timing gear Case or Timing Chain Case)
90301-35006 = 1 - Ring, O(For Timing Gear Case, Lower)
16341-38030 = 2 - Gasket, Water Outlet
16325-38020 = 1 - Gasket, Water Inlet Housing No. 1
96761-35035 = 2 - Ring, O(For Water Inlet)
16031-38010 = 1 - Water Inlet Sub-Assy, w/Thermostat
15193-38010 = 1 - Gasket, Oil Pump
11193-38030 = 8 - Gasket Spark Plug Tube
23224-38010 = 2 - Gasket Fuel Pump Spacer
23915-46011 = 2 - Insulator Fuel Pump
23279-74010 = 4 - Gasket Fuel Pressure (Pulsation Damper)
11229-38030 = 2 - Gasket Cylinder Head Cover No. 3 (Valve cover oil filter)
11159-0P010 = 2 - Gasket Camshaft Bearing Cap Oil Hole No. 1
11159-0S010 = 2 - Gasket Camshaft Bearing Cap Oil Hole No. 2
90301-A0029 = 4 - O Ring (Oil Drain Pipe)
11213-38060 = 1 - Gasket Cylinder Head Cover No. 1 RH
11214-38040 = 1 - Gasket Cylinder Head Cover No. 2 LH
90301-09028 = 1 - Oil Tube O-Ring (dipstick tube)
90210-08045 = 6 - Washer, Seal
15678-46020 = 2 - Filter, Oil Control Valve RH & LH
Some might call this overkill. Depending on your mileage, it might not be all bad to replace the timing chains, slippers, and tensioners. I would suggest doing a leak down test before starting this adventure to be sure the basic health of the engine is good.
13507-31020 = 2 - Chain Sub-Assy, No. 2
13506-38030 = 2 - Chain Sub-Assy
13550-38020 = 1 - RH Tensioner Assy, Chain, No. 2
13560-38021 = 1 - LH Tensioner Assy, Chain, No. 3
13540-38020 = 1 - RH Tensioner Assy, Chain No.1
13540-38042 = 1 - LH Tensioner Assy, Chain No.1
13559-38030 = 1 - RH Slipper, Chain Tensioner
13559-38040 = 1 - LH Slipper, Chain Tensioner
13561-38060 = 1 - RH Damper, Chain Vibration, No. 1
13561-38070 = 1 - LH Damper, Chain Vibration, No. 1
90301-92004 = 2 - Ring, O(For Cam Timing Control Motor)
90311-42036 = 1 - Seal, Oil(For Timing gear Case or Timing Chain Case)
90301-35006 = 1 - Ring, O(For Timing Gear Case, Lower)
16341-38030 = 2 - Gasket, Water Outlet
16325-38020 = 1 - Gasket, Water Inlet Housing No. 1
96761-35035 = 2 - Ring, O(For Water Inlet)
16031-38010 = 1 - Water Inlet Sub-Assy, w/Thermostat
15193-38010 = 1 - Gasket, Oil Pump
11193-38030 = 8 - Gasket Spark Plug Tube
23224-38010 = 2 - Gasket Fuel Pump Spacer
23915-46011 = 2 - Insulator Fuel Pump
23279-74010 = 4 - Gasket Fuel Pressure (Pulsation Damper)
11229-38030 = 2 - Gasket Cylinder Head Cover No. 3 (Valve cover oil filter)
11159-0P010 = 2 - Gasket Camshaft Bearing Cap Oil Hole No. 1
11159-0S010 = 2 - Gasket Camshaft Bearing Cap Oil Hole No. 2
90301-A0029 = 4 - O Ring (Oil Drain Pipe)
11213-38060 = 1 - Gasket Cylinder Head Cover No. 1 RH
11214-38040 = 1 - Gasket Cylinder Head Cover No. 2 LH
90301-09028 = 1 - Oil Tube O-Ring (dipstick tube)
90210-08045 = 6 - Washer, Seal
15678-46020 = 2 - Filter, Oil Control Valve RH & LH
Some might call this overkill. Depending on your mileage, it might not be all bad to replace the timing chains, slippers, and tensioners. I would suggest doing a leak down test before starting this adventure to be sure the basic health of the engine is good.
#320
Parts are still on order. I will update this thread when I complete the work. If I can, I will take pictures and create a separate thread like the valley plate thread showing the what, why, and how.
Last edited by lobuxracer; 07-16-19 at 03:06 PM.
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#321
#322
I’ve been running it for a week now, at temps far below freezing and I can now confirm that running Mobil 1 0w30 engine oil has eliminated ALL the abnormal noise on cold start ups in my 2008 ISF 👍👍
#323
Well add another one to the list.
Sucks I just installed the supercharger and now have to take everything apart again to replace the stupid tensioner and whatever else is bad.
It was more intermittent like the original video in this thread. The car had whatever 5w30 dyno oil Toyota puts in. I changed to the expensive 5w30 Mobil 1 synthetic last night in hopes that it would get rid of the issue and it got much worse.
Sucks I just installed the supercharger and now have to take everything apart again to replace the stupid tensioner and whatever else is bad.
It was more intermittent like the original video in this thread. The car had whatever 5w30 dyno oil Toyota puts in. I changed to the expensive 5w30 Mobil 1 synthetic last night in hopes that it would get rid of the issue and it got much worse.
Last edited by LILEVO; 03-30-20 at 07:56 PM.
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Well add another one to the list.
Sucks I just installed the supercharger and now have to take everything apart again to replace the stupid tensioner and whatever else is bad.
It was more intermittent like the original video in this thread. The car had whatever 5w30 dyno oil Toyota puts in. I changed to the expensive 5w30 Mobil 1 synthetic last night in hopes that it would get rid of the issue and it got much worse.
https://youtu.be/3F3qU1IHRQw
Sucks I just installed the supercharger and now have to take everything apart again to replace the stupid tensioner and whatever else is bad.
It was more intermittent like the original video in this thread. The car had whatever 5w30 dyno oil Toyota puts in. I changed to the expensive 5w30 Mobil 1 synthetic last night in hopes that it would get rid of the issue and it got much worse.
https://youtu.be/3F3qU1IHRQw
If the chain snaps, you will NOT be happy..
Suggestion would be not to run the motor until you can swap out the bad parts!!
List provided by Lobuxracer...
Joe Z
#328
Honestly I think Mobil 1 makes it worse not better. 0w-30 Mobil 1 was slightly better than 5w-30. Renewable Lubricants 5w-30 PCMO SHP beats the snot out of Mobil 1 for reducing the noise and tests out way better than Mobil 1 when I send it to Blackstone.
That said, this sounds severe, and more like the cam phasing motor is broken. No DTCs or MIL? As bad as that sounds I would expect some kind of DTC. There's also a small possibility the filter in the valve cover got clogged somehow and the OCV for the exhaust cam is not functioning correctly. Sucks big time that you just got the SC on there and this started. My starter crapped out when I put in a new LiFePo4 battery - no fault of the battery, just coincidence...so I feel your pain.
I have all the parts to do the tensioner/cam chain replacement (for both sides) waiting for my 180k mile valve lash inspection. It would have been here soon, but I am hardly driving anywhere now (which really sucks because 93 octane is under $2.50 a gallon here), so it's waiting patiently on the shelf. Because the job is as involved as it is, I plan to reseal the valley plate at the same time. Taking off the timing cover isn't a small task.
That said, this sounds severe, and more like the cam phasing motor is broken. No DTCs or MIL? As bad as that sounds I would expect some kind of DTC. There's also a small possibility the filter in the valve cover got clogged somehow and the OCV for the exhaust cam is not functioning correctly. Sucks big time that you just got the SC on there and this started. My starter crapped out when I put in a new LiFePo4 battery - no fault of the battery, just coincidence...so I feel your pain.
I have all the parts to do the tensioner/cam chain replacement (for both sides) waiting for my 180k mile valve lash inspection. It would have been here soon, but I am hardly driving anywhere now (which really sucks because 93 octane is under $2.50 a gallon here), so it's waiting patiently on the shelf. Because the job is as involved as it is, I plan to reseal the valley plate at the same time. Taking off the timing cover isn't a small task.
#330
Well bottom line, you should be able to run any oil you want and not have any noise.
I am getting a P0017 and I don't know specifically what triggers it. It says crankshaft position - Camshaft position correlation (bank 1 sensor B) Exhaust cam specifically. Whether or not it's actually the cam phaser that went bad or due to the chain slapping/noise, or both I don't know.
Generically, google says:If there is a problem with the synchronization of your crankshaft and camshaft, the vehicle will suffer from many obvious symptoms, including:
I got this far and gave up. I was hoping the front cover would pop off without fully removing the valve covers, but that's a no go. Tomorrow I'll pull the valve covers. I have to do those gaskets anyways.
I am getting a P0017 and I don't know specifically what triggers it. It says crankshaft position - Camshaft position correlation (bank 1 sensor B) Exhaust cam specifically. Whether or not it's actually the cam phaser that went bad or due to the chain slapping/noise, or both I don't know.
Generically, google says:If there is a problem with the synchronization of your crankshaft and camshaft, the vehicle will suffer from many obvious symptoms, including:
- Very poor performance
- Difficulty starting the vehicle
- A rattling noise while running
I got this far and gave up. I was hoping the front cover would pop off without fully removing the valve covers, but that's a no go. Tomorrow I'll pull the valve covers. I have to do those gaskets anyways.
Honestly I think Mobil 1 makes it worse not better. 0w-30 Mobil 1 was slightly better than 5w-30. Renewable Lubricants 5w-30 PCMO SHP beats the snot out of Mobil 1 for reducing the noise and tests out way better than Mobil 1 when I send it to Blackstone.
That said, this sounds severe, and more like the cam phasing motor is broken. No DTCs or MIL? As bad as that sounds I would expect some kind of DTC. There's also a small possibility the filter in the valve cover got clogged somehow and the OCV for the exhaust cam is not functioning correctly. Sucks big time that you just got the SC on there and this started. My starter crapped out when I put in a new LiFePo4 battery - no fault of the battery, just coincidence...so I feel your pain.
I have all the parts to do the tensioner/cam chain replacement (for both sides) waiting for my 180k mile valve lash inspection. It would have been here soon, but I am hardly driving anywhere now (which really sucks because 93 octane is under $2.50 a gallon here), so it's waiting patiently on the shelf. Because the job is as involved as it is, I plan to reseal the valley plate at the same time. Taking off the timing cover isn't a small task.
That said, this sounds severe, and more like the cam phasing motor is broken. No DTCs or MIL? As bad as that sounds I would expect some kind of DTC. There's also a small possibility the filter in the valve cover got clogged somehow and the OCV for the exhaust cam is not functioning correctly. Sucks big time that you just got the SC on there and this started. My starter crapped out when I put in a new LiFePo4 battery - no fault of the battery, just coincidence...so I feel your pain.
I have all the parts to do the tensioner/cam chain replacement (for both sides) waiting for my 180k mile valve lash inspection. It would have been here soon, but I am hardly driving anywhere now (which really sucks because 93 octane is under $2.50 a gallon here), so it's waiting patiently on the shelf. Because the job is as involved as it is, I plan to reseal the valley plate at the same time. Taking off the timing cover isn't a small task.