Anyone else get a call from the dealer on gas pedal recall?
04-18-10, 09:31 PM
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I'm thinking about this turn. If the throttle were to cut dramatically at this point, I'll be touring the sand pit. I'd be more than a bit pissed off. Roebling is in my back yard.
04-19-10, 11:32 AM
#92
I left my car this morning at the dealer for warranty work (tach needle and touchscreen). While doing the paperwork I told my service advisor that I was aware of the pedal/throttle recall, even though I had not received the letter yet. She confirmed that my car was going to be updated, so I said:
- I do not want this update, I want to opt out.
She asked why. I said:
- I understand the story behind the recall and I agree with it, but I don't agree with applying it to all cars. In this case one solution does NOT fit all. For a performance car like the IS-F, this update kills the soul of the car. Take a look at other cars in this class, do you think that BMW with the M3 and MB with the C63 will kill the throttle if you use the brakes? I don't think so.
She said that I had the right to decline the update and that she will make sure that it's clearly stated in the paperwork that she offered it and I declined it.
Well, I'm driving a loaner, I don't know yet if my car will be ready today, but just in case I left the ODBII port covered with my little sign pictured above.
- I do not want this update, I want to opt out.
She asked why. I said:
- I understand the story behind the recall and I agree with it, but I don't agree with applying it to all cars. In this case one solution does NOT fit all. For a performance car like the IS-F, this update kills the soul of the car. Take a look at other cars in this class, do you think that BMW with the M3 and MB with the C63 will kill the throttle if you use the brakes? I don't think so.
She said that I had the right to decline the update and that she will make sure that it's clearly stated in the paperwork that she offered it and I declined it.
Well, I'm driving a loaner, I don't know yet if my car will be ready today, but just in case I left the ODBII port covered with my little sign pictured above.
04-19-10, 05:42 PM
#95
FWIW, the smokey burnout is confirmed as not being a problem. I kept it in first gear and worked it up to 4K or so. No issues... Plenty of rubber fog.
I can appreciate, however, that the software update could be problematic on a track that isn't a dragstrip. Maybe my SA is misinformed given what I have read elsewhere in this thread, but he said the override kicks in above 16 mph...if it matters.
Even so - I'm stuck with it now, and I don't like the tiny new gas pedal!
I can appreciate, however, that the software update could be problematic on a track that isn't a dragstrip. Maybe my SA is misinformed given what I have read elsewhere in this thread, but he said the override kicks in above 16 mph...if it matters.
Even so - I'm stuck with it now, and I don't like the tiny new gas pedal!
04-19-10, 05:53 PM
#96
I had it done to my car today. I wasn't crazy about the pedal either, until my service adviser lined it up with the old one and I saw it wasn't that much smaller.. I was a bit worried my foot might slide off the pedal, but not an issue.
I never drive with two pedals so the software update won't affect me.
Finally, they replaced my old all-weather mats, that was kind of cool (I'll probably sell them as I picked up Weathertech's last winter).
I never drive with two pedals so the software update won't affect me.
Finally, they replaced my old all-weather mats, that was kind of cool (I'll probably sell them as I picked up Weathertech's last winter).
04-19-10, 07:52 PM
#97
Well, the car is still at the dealer but according to the sales advisor (talked to her late this afternoon) this is the status:
TACH NEEDLE: the whole instrument cluster will be replaced, they don't replace just the needle.
TOUCHSCREEN: they confirmed that the unit (ML system) doesn't work in my car. The next step is trying a unit from another IS-F, if that one does work, then it's confirmed that the unit was faulty. At that time they will order a whole new ML system, not just the screen. On the other hand if the unit from the other IS-F doesn't work in my car, then it's something else that they'll have to find out.
In the meantime I'm stuck with a boring ES350.
TACH NEEDLE: the whole instrument cluster will be replaced, they don't replace just the needle.
TOUCHSCREEN: they confirmed that the unit (ML system) doesn't work in my car. The next step is trying a unit from another IS-F, if that one does work, then it's confirmed that the unit was faulty. At that time they will order a whole new ML system, not just the screen. On the other hand if the unit from the other IS-F doesn't work in my car, then it's something else that they'll have to find out.
In the meantime I'm stuck with a boring ES350.
04-19-10, 08:43 PM
#98
LOL. I hear you.
As much as I know my 01 GS430 was a great car it was freaking boring to me.
Great INFO.
As what the bulletin said, the burnout is not affected.
As far as the brake and gas at the same time, it will kick in only if the throttle is over 33% and if the gas is pressed before the brake, in addition to being over 16 or so MPH so I think it is also be a NON issue specially as you are braking first then feeding throttle second while powering out of a corner.
As much as I know my 01 GS430 was a great car it was freaking boring to me.
FWIW, the smokey burnout is confirmed as not being a problem. I kept it in first gear and worked it up to 4K or so. No issues... Plenty of rubber fog.
I can appreciate, however, that the software update could be problematic on a track that isn't a dragstrip. Maybe my SA is misinformed given what I have read elsewhere in this thread, but he said the override kicks in above 16 mph...if it matters.
Even so - I'm stuck with it now, and I don't like the tiny new gas pedal!
I can appreciate, however, that the software update could be problematic on a track that isn't a dragstrip. Maybe my SA is misinformed given what I have read elsewhere in this thread, but he said the override kicks in above 16 mph...if it matters.
Even so - I'm stuck with it now, and I don't like the tiny new gas pedal!
As what the bulletin said, the burnout is not affected.
As far as the brake and gas at the same time, it will kick in only if the throttle is over 33% and if the gas is pressed before the brake, in addition to being over 16 or so MPH so I think it is also be a NON issue specially as you are braking first then feeding throttle second while powering out of a corner.
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04-19-10, 10:09 PM
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LOL. I hear you.
As much as I know my 01 GS430 was a great car it was freaking boring to me.
Great INFO.
As what the bulletin said, the burnout is not affected.
As far as the brake and gas at the same time, it will kick in only if the throttle is over 33% and if the gas is pressed before the brake, in addition to being over 16 or so MPH so I think it is also be a NON issue specially as you are braking first then feeding throttle second while powering out of a corner.
As much as I know my 01 GS430 was a great car it was freaking boring to me.
Great INFO.
As what the bulletin said, the burnout is not affected.
As far as the brake and gas at the same time, it will kick in only if the throttle is over 33% and if the gas is pressed before the brake, in addition to being over 16 or so MPH so I think it is also be a NON issue specially as you are braking first then feeding throttle second while powering out of a corner.
04-20-10, 12:09 AM
#103
I dont have a ISF but i feel i can contribute to the discussion at hand. I went in for my 30k service today, i dont pay for oil changes so its okay for me. First thing my service advisor did when i made the appointment was look up to see if my car needed the recall done. She said that i needs the brake override and the new pedal. She also said I would get a free tank of gas so to go in with a empty tank.
I decided to tell her in person that I didnt want the recalls. I get to the office and say I dont want the brake override or new pedal. She looks at me like im crazy. She said that they have to do it for safety reasons and blah blah blah, then she asked why I didnt want it. I wanted to say "IM TOO BADASS FOR A NANNY" but the only thing that came out of my mouth was "I dont like the feeling".
She then called a car from the back to show me the gas pedal and so i can see how "its the same, just an inch shorter". I look at the pedal and step on it twice and said "ummmmmmmm, no". She called someone on her radio thing and asked what to do if a customer refuses the recall (i believe im the first at my dealer to decline it). They even tried to bribe me by reminding me that ill get a free tank of gas. I said no and she sent me to loaners. I noticed she wrote on my service paper to get my recall done but then crossed it out. Hopefully she took it out the computer too... I should be getting my car back tomorrow and will tell you guys if they did it even though i said no or what.
So I guess if you go to the dealer and they keep pushing it, say no?
Although, what if they did do the recall? Would it be possible to refuse the car and demand them to reflash the ecu without the override?
I decided to tell her in person that I didnt want the recalls. I get to the office and say I dont want the brake override or new pedal. She looks at me like im crazy. She said that they have to do it for safety reasons and blah blah blah, then she asked why I didnt want it. I wanted to say "IM TOO BADASS FOR A NANNY" but the only thing that came out of my mouth was "I dont like the feeling".
She then called a car from the back to show me the gas pedal and so i can see how "its the same, just an inch shorter". I look at the pedal and step on it twice and said "ummmmmmmm, no". She called someone on her radio thing and asked what to do if a customer refuses the recall (i believe im the first at my dealer to decline it). They even tried to bribe me by reminding me that ill get a free tank of gas. I said no and she sent me to loaners. I noticed she wrote on my service paper to get my recall done but then crossed it out. Hopefully she took it out the computer too... I should be getting my car back tomorrow and will tell you guys if they did it even though i said no or what.
So I guess if you go to the dealer and they keep pushing it, say no?
Although, what if they did do the recall? Would it be possible to refuse the car and demand them to reflash the ecu without the override?
04-20-10, 12:11 AM
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As far as the brake and gas at the same time, it will kick in only if the throttle is over 33% and if the gas is pressed before the brake, in addition to being over 16 or so MPH so I think it is also be a NON issue specially as you are braking first then feeding throttle second while powering out of a corner.
"Brake Override System" pdf file, in my same Official LSB post #40 in this thread...
Brake Override System operates when these conditions are met:
1) The throttle opening is greater than 1/3
2) Vehicle speed is above 5 mph
3) Brakes are applied firmly
4) The accelerator pedal must be pressed before the brake pedal.
Regards,
Joe Z
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04-20-10, 12:50 AM
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That document Joe Z posted said that if you dont like the new pedal a replacement pedal will be offered but it said nothing about the brake override being undone so I'm curious if that is even possible to undo after being performed?