Reconsidering the Factory Alignment
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I just got some pretty conclusive evidence of the problem today. I will post up when we have the solution
with proof and video.
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I need to get it measured where it is right now for a reference point. The last adjustment was calculated based on what Gran Turismo told me about how much each turn of the tie rod changed the toe.
FIGS - as soon as you're certain of your findings, please post up. We'd all like to know what you've discovered.
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With the last adjustment I made, I'm now finally seeing more outside edge wear than inside. Part of it is my driving, but my observation is, the inside edge wear has pretty much stopped. The car doesn't feel "floaty" but doesn't turn in as nicely as it does with more toe out.
I need to get it measured where it is right now for a reference point. The last adjustment was calculated based on what Gran Turismo told me about how much each turn of the tie rod changed the toe.
FIGS - as soon as you're certain of your findings, please post up. We'd all like to know what you've discovered.
I need to get it measured where it is right now for a reference point. The last adjustment was calculated based on what Gran Turismo told me about how much each turn of the tie rod changed the toe.
FIGS - as soon as you're certain of your findings, please post up. We'd all like to know what you've discovered.
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The last adjustment I made arrested the inside edge wear and started accelerating outside edge wear. I'm going to the track at the end of the month, so I'll be resetting to a toe out condition, then likely these tires will be toast - at least the rears will be without any doubt, and the fronts will likely be pretty hammered too.
Next up, Michelin PSS. Next track event is VIR in November. Looking forward to it all.
Next up, Michelin PSS. Next track event is VIR in November. Looking forward to it all.
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And I think I finally have the proof and the solution. Please see this thread.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...eo-inside.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...eo-inside.html
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Lance, I just got the car re-aligned with toe set at 0. I'm about to put new wheels/tires on the car so I'll monitor wear and report back when I get some miles on them.
I'm not sure I like the feel of the car with it at 0 though...feels a little "floaty" and not as planted. I realize that you give up some handling to save the tires, so I'll try to convince myself to get used to it.
Thanks for the guidance on this
Rob
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I'm not sure I like the feel of the car with it at 0 though...feels a little "floaty" and not as planted. I realize that you give up some handling to save the tires, so I'll try to convince myself to get used to it.
Thanks for the guidance on this
Rob
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Any more info on this? I believe I am experiencing the same thing now that I have my new wheels and tires installed (19 x 9.5 and 265/35/19s up front) and "0' toe. The car feels less planted up front like you indicated. I am lowered on HKS Hipermax M1 coilovers. With my stock wheels and tires and "0" toe (and my coilovers), my memory tells me the front end felt better. I do not know if the wider wheels and tires are a contributing factor with "0" toe, but we may be experiencing similar characteristics.
If I confirm this is, in fact, the case, I may return to factory toe specs even though I would hate to plow through my new Michelin Pilot Super Sports. I'm not convinced, yet, that there will not be a NVH penalty with FIGS' new bushing. If there is, I will likely, and begrudgingly, opt for accelerated tire wear.
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Rob,
Any more info on this? I believe I am experiencing the same thing now that I have my new wheels and tires installed (19 x 9.5 and 265/35/19s up front) and "0' toe. The car feels less planted up front like you indicated. I am lowered on HKS Hipermax M1 coilovers. With my stock wheels and tires and "0" toe (and my coilovers), my memory tells me the front end felt better. I do not know if the wider wheels and tires are a contributing factor with "0" toe, but we may be experiencing similar characteristics.
If I confirm this is, in fact, the case, I may return to factory toe specs even though I would hate to plow through my new Michelin Pilot Super Sports. I'm not convinced, yet, that there will not be a NVH penalty with FIGS' new bushing. If there is, I will likely, and begrudgingly, opt for accelerated tire wear.
Any more info on this? I believe I am experiencing the same thing now that I have my new wheels and tires installed (19 x 9.5 and 265/35/19s up front) and "0' toe. The car feels less planted up front like you indicated. I am lowered on HKS Hipermax M1 coilovers. With my stock wheels and tires and "0" toe (and my coilovers), my memory tells me the front end felt better. I do not know if the wider wheels and tires are a contributing factor with "0" toe, but we may be experiencing similar characteristics.
If I confirm this is, in fact, the case, I may return to factory toe specs even though I would hate to plow through my new Michelin Pilot Super Sports. I'm not convinced, yet, that there will not be a NVH penalty with FIGS' new bushing. If there is, I will likely, and begrudgingly, opt for accelerated tire wear.
I did the alignment first and the wheels later, and from my experience the wheels didn't seem to make much of a difference (255s in front). It was all in the alignment. I definitely plan to go back to factory toe settings combined with FIGS bushings. I will report back when I get it all done.
Off topic, but how do you like the Hipermax coilovers? I was thinking of going KW since that seems to be the common and positive one to go with, but would love to hear your experience with the HKS. PM me when you get a chance.
Rob
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Yes, exactly correct. I also suspect trail braking at the track will be less effective - in my last session I was working on trail braking, and it really helped the car turn in. I didn't know we were getting so much toe out on braking - now it makes sense why trail braking works so well with the stock bushings.
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I had an alignment performed after having PPE headers installed. The shop assured that they used factory specs however they set it to zero toe in the front. What's also disconcerting is the disparity between the camber on the front tires. Is this a result of lowering the subframe for the header install? Will I need a subframe alignment? Thanks!
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