IS-F vs. JB3 335I E90
07-06-10, 10:51 AM
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Beautiful! I think I'm going to steer away from black as the paint doesn't have a clear coat. Scared of swirl marks. I'm looking at Mercury Metallic and Starfire Pearl. Unfortunately, the closest MM is in Dallas (4 hours) and no SFP within 700 miles. Did you buy brand new? Also, did you feel your Bimmer was faster than the F?
Nope, bought it used from a private seller in PA. It had 12.7k miles and the interior was still has a hint of the new car smell
I ran my JB+ @ 100% and 100/91 oct mix 335i at the track (Infineon...infamous for being a slow track) and hit 13.2. I previously had an 04 E55 (469hp 500+ tq) and only ran a 12.8 according to Infineon and I know for a fact the E55's bone stock could run low to mid 12's. So I'm thinking the JB+ 335i would have ran high 12's if it were at a "better" track.
The 335 with JB3 @ map 3 does feel comparable to the ISF but the first day I had the JB3 map 3 I was smoked by a C63 on the freeway (i know the 335 isnt exactly meant to be fast on the freeway). The JB+ @ 100% was no slouch either but it was really jerky since its not really a "tune". But definitely the 335 with JB3 or JB+ was definitely comparable to the ISF but the ISF is definitely smoother in its power delivery. When the 2nd intake opens up it's almost like a turbo to me lol...
07-06-10, 10:55 AM
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I can't believe you are comparing a 335 to an IS-F....it's no comparison! Modded 335 no matter how fast is still just a 3-series at the end of the day....kinda like a 400hp Neon, who cares?
E92 m3 to IS-F is a fair comparo and even then many including myself picked up the IS-F and it has nothing to do with the cost.
N/A motors are always superior in my book and always will be. F/I is ok if you want fast but if that is all you care about you can buy a Vette and smoke both cars all day long.
btw b4 you start to think I'm biased cuz this is a Lexus board, I'm a huge BMW fan and have owned quite a few m3's over the years (e30, e36, e46)
E92 m3 to IS-F is a fair comparo and even then many including myself picked up the IS-F and it has nothing to do with the cost.
N/A motors are always superior in my book and always will be. F/I is ok if you want fast but if that is all you care about you can buy a Vette and smoke both cars all day long.
btw b4 you start to think I'm biased cuz this is a Lexus board, I'm a huge BMW fan and have owned quite a few m3's over the years (e30, e36, e46)
07-06-10, 10:56 AM
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Nope, bought it used from a private seller in PA. It had 12.7k miles and the interior was still has a hint of the new car smell
I ran my JB+ @ 100% and 100/91 oct mix 335i at the track (Infineon...infamous for being a slow track) and hit 13.2. I previously had an 04 E55 (469hp 500+ tq) and only ran a 12.8 according to Infineon and I know for a fact the E55's bone stock could run low to mid 12's. So I'm thinking the JB+ 335i would have ran high 12's if it were at a "better" track.
The 335 with JB3 @ map 3 does feel comparable to the ISF but the first day I had the JB3 map 3 I was smoked by a C63 on the freeway (i know the 335 isnt exactly meant to be fast on the freeway). The JB+ @ 100% was no slouch either but it was really jerky since its not really a "tune". But definitely the 335 with JB3 or JB+ was definitely comparable to the ISF but the ISF is definitely smoother in its power delivery. When the 2nd intake opens up it's almost like a turbo to me lol...
I ran my JB+ @ 100% and 100/91 oct mix 335i at the track (Infineon...infamous for being a slow track) and hit 13.2. I previously had an 04 E55 (469hp 500+ tq) and only ran a 12.8 according to Infineon and I know for a fact the E55's bone stock could run low to mid 12's. So I'm thinking the JB+ 335i would have ran high 12's if it were at a "better" track.
The 335 with JB3 @ map 3 does feel comparable to the ISF but the first day I had the JB3 map 3 I was smoked by a C63 on the freeway (i know the 335 isnt exactly meant to be fast on the freeway). The JB+ @ 100% was no slouch either but it was really jerky since its not really a "tune". But definitely the 335 with JB3 or JB+ was definitely comparable to the ISF but the ISF is definitely smoother in its power delivery. When the 2nd intake opens up it's almost like a turbo to me lol...
I'm assuming a similar outcome against the C63 in the F?
07-06-10, 11:06 AM
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I can't believe you are comparing a 335 to an IS-F....it's no comparison! Modded 335 no matter how fast is still just a 3-series at the end of the day....kinda like a 400hp Neon, who cares?
E92 m3 to IS-F is a fair comparo and even then many including myself picked up the IS-F and it has nothing to do with the cost.
N/A motors are always superior in my book and always will be. F/I is ok if you want fast but if that is all you care about you can buy a Vette and smoke both cars all day long.
btw b4 you start to think I'm biased cuz this is a Lexus board, I'm a huge BMW fan and have owned quite a few m3's over the years (e30, e36, e46)
E92 m3 to IS-F is a fair comparo and even then many including myself picked up the IS-F and it has nothing to do with the cost.
N/A motors are always superior in my book and always will be. F/I is ok if you want fast but if that is all you care about you can buy a Vette and smoke both cars all day long.
btw b4 you start to think I'm biased cuz this is a Lexus board, I'm a huge BMW fan and have owned quite a few m3's over the years (e30, e36, e46)
07-06-10, 11:23 AM
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The C63 I would def. think would be faster than the ISF but the F and C63 both pick up pretty good on the freeway since they are v8's so the 335 was at a disadvantage there. Also, don't worry about what other people say as far as the 335 not being comparable to the ISF. We aren't talking Ferrari vs Accord here fellas. Both cars are GREAT in their own way and although ISF vs M3 would be a better comparison the 335 really isn't THAT far from either car.
At the end of the day it comes down to value for a lot of people and I feel like the ISF for $40k gave me more value than the 335i convertible @ $37k. Can't go wrong with either the 335 but ISF but I think you would really enjoy the IS-F! (Plus there aren't that many mods for the IS-F and that can actually prove to be a good thing $$$$)
At the end of the day it comes down to value for a lot of people and I feel like the ISF for $40k gave me more value than the 335i convertible @ $37k. Can't go wrong with either the 335 but ISF but I think you would really enjoy the IS-F! (Plus there aren't that many mods for the IS-F and that can actually prove to be a good thing $$$$)
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07-06-10, 11:40 AM
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The C63 I would def. think would be faster than the ISF but the F and C63 both pick up pretty good on the freeway since they are v8's so the 335 was at a disadvantage there. Also, don't worry about what other people say as far as the 335 not being comparable to the ISF. We aren't talking Ferrari vs Accord here fellas. Both cars are GREAT in their own way and although ISF vs M3 would be a better comparison the 335 really isn't THAT far from either car.
At the end of the day it comes down to value for a lot of people and I feel like the ISF for $40k gave me more value than the 335i convertible @ $37k. Can't go wrong with either the 335 but ISF but I think you would really enjoy the IS-F! (Plus there aren't that many mods for the IS-F and that can actually prove to be a good thing $$$$)
At the end of the day it comes down to value for a lot of people and I feel like the ISF for $40k gave me more value than the 335i convertible @ $37k. Can't go wrong with either the 335 but ISF but I think you would really enjoy the IS-F! (Plus there aren't that many mods for the IS-F and that can actually prove to be a good thing $$$$)
07-06-10, 12:00 PM
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07-06-10, 12:52 PM
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You obviously have a 335i that is running relatively fine. Can't say that about a good number of folks in the Beemer boards.
I've considered it and the M3 I'll give the BMW props for its potential and performance.
At the end of the day I picked quality, reliability, and peace of mind as much more important to me than an arguable edge in performance and the "prestige" and "superiority" of a German car and that is why I drive a Lexus.
I've considered it and the M3 I'll give the BMW props for its potential and performance.
At the end of the day I picked quality, reliability, and peace of mind as much more important to me than an arguable edge in performance and the "prestige" and "superiority" of a German car and that is why I drive a Lexus.
07-06-10, 01:26 PM
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I drove it in limp mode for a week and a half. If you haven't experienced that with a $700 a month car payment...it's frustrating!!! 0-60 comes in about 1/4 of a mile. it's actually dangerous to pull out in traffic. And what's up with putting in 3 quarts of oil in 2 months? Absolutely mind boggling. The rest of your post, I couldn't agree more.
