Product Review: Tokico HTS Damper - IS F
#16
Even though I don't worship damper *****, I wish Tokico used clickers instead.
#17
Very nice and complete write-up! Thanks. My questions are, what is being given up by losing the monotube design, does the one size fits all shock valving theory work when going to the heavier ISF, how much of your experience is because of the Eibach spring? I would much rather know the improvement of the shock coupled with the stock springs What are the rate differences in the springs, are the Eibachs progressive or linear? Stock?
Yeah i'm not too happy about that. I like having detents rather than guessing.
Very nice writeup and thanks for stepping up to be the tester for these. They sound like a great product. Do you have anymore information on pricing or release or should interested buyers shoot Clark a message? Also, since you put the Eibach's on these dampers, I'm assuming you can put the Teins as well with no problems? Thanks again!
I was actually thinking the same thing...I would be very hesistant to try a product that designed for the IS250/350 on the IS-F. I would want a product designed for the IS-F specifically. I'm wondering if these shocks will hold up in the long run to the additional weight and stress of the IS-F...Darshana S...
Keep in mind I am seeing these(HTS117) in the $750 range. Add a set of springs and you are right at the cost for some monotube BC coilovers. The ride height adjustment alone is worth it for the coilovers IMO. And Coilovers do not need to be harsh, just get them without pillowballs and keep your drop limited to stock and retain the longer travel.
Not to take away from your review Ryan because I think there is still applications for the more compliant design. People should just clearly define their goals and make their decision of what they truly value, comfort, longevity or performance/precision. There is some area of overlap in the middle between the two solutions, its the extremes that you need to consider. Having a lifetime warranty is a pretty nice option sometimes...well if you do not have to pay for shipping that is
Honestly I did consider going with coilovers as options for my ISF, but the main reason why I didn't go with them was the fact that I drive a lot of miles. Coilovers are not really a practical option for me as they need to be rebuilt regularly to perform properly. Height adjustment really isn't an issue for me because of all the coilover setups i've owned, i've only adjusted the height once. I've left the same height (after a few adjustments of course) until I pulled them off the car. Of course everyone's needs different but coilovers are overkill for a regular street car. But at the same time 416 hp is also.
This is precisely why I marvel at people who say they change the damping from "street" to "track". Either it works, or it doesn't. Both venues have the same goal - keep the tire in contact with the road surface more often than not. So the "right" damping for a spring is probably going to be right regardless of where you are. The only thing about street is, you usually want a lower natural frequency for ride comfort, but this is a combination of spring and damping rates.
I ran Tokico aftermarket shocks on my '88 GTS Corolla. Definitely better than stock for my purposes, but also not narrowly focused on performance either.
I ran Tokico aftermarket shocks on my '88 GTS Corolla. Definitely better than stock for my purposes, but also not narrowly focused on performance either.
Last edited by flipside909; 12-23-10 at 07:33 AM.
#18
Dealer installation
I'm not sure I would have anyone but the dealer install them. My dealer (Parker Lexus of Little Rock) quoted 720$ labor plus a 99$ alignment to install these shocks. I'm still contemplating having it done. I miss the smoother ride of my IS350.
#19
Yeah your best bet would be to find a qualified mechanic to install these. Lexus will charge more because they charge their hours by "book time" per shock and labor rates in the range of $100/hr to $150/hr.
#21
The rears you will need to pull back on the inner quarter trim to access the rear shocks. You can modify the inner trim by cutting a circle or slit to access the top of the shocks.
#23
that is more like it ^^
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#25
The fronts are easy. You pop off the engine covers and twist the **** at the top of the shock tower.
The rears you will need to pull back on the inner quarter trim to access the rear shocks. You can modify the inner trim by cutting a circle or slit to access the top of the shocks.
The rears you will need to pull back on the inner quarter trim to access the rear shocks. You can modify the inner trim by cutting a circle or slit to access the top of the shocks.
then you only need to make a small incision in the trim to pass through the adjuster one time.
#26
Or, get these for the rear: http://www.good-win-racing.com/mazda...60-1144NC.html
then you only need to make a small incision in the trim to pass through the adjuster one time.
then you only need to make a small incision in the trim to pass through the adjuster one time.
#28
Probably not. Using compression damping to substitute for inadequate spring rate isn't very effective. Unnecessarily stiff suspensions are usually much slower than overly soft suspensions. You might not like how the soft one feels, but odds are it will be faster and easier to drive fast.
#29
the track conditions, the driver's style... to name a few...
i mean, if the track is SUPER smooth then it may work well...
#30
It's all about maximum tire patch contact to the ground. Having the most super stiff suspension doesn't mean best handling/fastest track times. Traction/grip is key.