C&D's Lightning Lap 2011
12-29-10, 12:58 PM
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12-29-10, 04:59 PM
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12-29-10, 07:14 PM
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That's great! Here is the link to the actual article in C&D
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...Lexus%20IS%20F
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...Lexus%20IS%20F
12-29-10, 09:14 PM
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I'm glad I purchased 2011 IS-F back in nov my local dealership offered me 2010 for less money but I decide on 2011 because everything I had heard on this forum as well as other source such Lexus magazine, and other articles.I decide to take a leap of faith that Lexus was listing to owner of IS-F's and writer of automobile mag such as C/D, R/T AUTOMOTIVE etc.
It looks like when the head of Toyota, Mr. Akio Toyoda said he was going to put more of emphasis on high performance for both Lexus and Toyota he wasn't kidding. What took BMW 20yrs to achieve with M3 Lexus has now done in 3yrs with IS-F which is incredible.
But I'll give credit were it's due and if it weren't for BMW M3 the creator of sport sedan market, the bench mark for 20 yrs we would have no IS-F. Lexus used the knowledge gain by BMW as well as it's own experience to create a unique high performance sport sedan I think they have succeeded in what Lexus was trying to achieve I say well done Lexus keep up the good work.
It looks like when the head of Toyota, Mr. Akio Toyoda said he was going to put more of emphasis on high performance for both Lexus and Toyota he wasn't kidding. What took BMW 20yrs to achieve with M3 Lexus has now done in 3yrs with IS-F which is incredible.
But I'll give credit were it's due and if it weren't for BMW M3 the creator of sport sedan market, the bench mark for 20 yrs we would have no IS-F. Lexus used the knowledge gain by BMW as well as it's own experience to create a unique high performance sport sedan I think they have succeeded in what Lexus was trying to achieve I say well done Lexus keep up the good work.
12-29-10, 09:37 PM
#26
If you just want to see review of 2011 IS-F here you go.
Lightning Lap 2011: LL2 Class - Feature
Pages:3
Three years back, an IS F turned a less-than-impressive 3:14.0. We said then, “A little attention to springs and damping might make this eager contender a real champ,” as the stiffly sprung F zapped confidence in high-speed corners.
Boy, were we right. Lexus has since tweaked all suspension elements. Spring rates are down in the front and up in the rear, and there are larger anti-roll bars, stiffer subframe bushings, and longer bump stops, which effectively increase spring rates when the car is nearing its maximum roll angle. Lexus also lightened the front hubs and control arms and slapped a Torsen limited-slip differential in the rear axle. The result is BMW M3–matching performance around VIR (3:05.4). That’s heady company for Lexus to be keeping. Especially considering that the IS F weighs 3801 pounds (195 more than the M3) and makes only two additional horsepower, at 416.
Lexus also redesigned the gauges, enlarging the tachometer and relocating it to the center of the instrument binnacle. But it could have removed the thing altogether because we did not so much as peep at it: The IS F’s audible shift warning is plenty loud, even when you are wearing a helmet. While the alert is slightly obnoxious on public roads, it lets you keep your eyes up when driving on a track.
The old F rolled around on the track like a keel-less boat in gusting winds. The aforementioned updates quell this tendency and increase confidence. Our backside impressions are supported by numbers: The F exits sector two 13.1 mph quicker than before, at 109.1. Steering is communicative, and the chassis is set up for safe, moderate understeer, but vector adjustment is just a throttle tweak away—the torquey engine (371 pound-feet) can break the rear tires loose easily. The brakes are fantastic, too. The pedal might be a tad wooden (more pliant pine than hard oak), but the system remains fade-free after multiple laps of abuse, something none of the other large sedans could claim this year. The 180-degree character change performed by this Lexus gives us hope that Toyota can still make fun-to-drive cars. Now where’s our Supra?
Lightning Lap 2011: LL2 Class - Feature
Pages:3
Three years back, an IS F turned a less-than-impressive 3:14.0. We said then, “A little attention to springs and damping might make this eager contender a real champ,” as the stiffly sprung F zapped confidence in high-speed corners.
Boy, were we right. Lexus has since tweaked all suspension elements. Spring rates are down in the front and up in the rear, and there are larger anti-roll bars, stiffer subframe bushings, and longer bump stops, which effectively increase spring rates when the car is nearing its maximum roll angle. Lexus also lightened the front hubs and control arms and slapped a Torsen limited-slip differential in the rear axle. The result is BMW M3–matching performance around VIR (3:05.4). That’s heady company for Lexus to be keeping. Especially considering that the IS F weighs 3801 pounds (195 more than the M3) and makes only two additional horsepower, at 416.
Lexus also redesigned the gauges, enlarging the tachometer and relocating it to the center of the instrument binnacle. But it could have removed the thing altogether because we did not so much as peep at it: The IS F’s audible shift warning is plenty loud, even when you are wearing a helmet. While the alert is slightly obnoxious on public roads, it lets you keep your eyes up when driving on a track.
The old F rolled around on the track like a keel-less boat in gusting winds. The aforementioned updates quell this tendency and increase confidence. Our backside impressions are supported by numbers: The F exits sector two 13.1 mph quicker than before, at 109.1. Steering is communicative, and the chassis is set up for safe, moderate understeer, but vector adjustment is just a throttle tweak away—the torquey engine (371 pound-feet) can break the rear tires loose easily. The brakes are fantastic, too. The pedal might be a tad wooden (more pliant pine than hard oak), but the system remains fade-free after multiple laps of abuse, something none of the other large sedans could claim this year. The 180-degree character change performed by this Lexus gives us hope that Toyota can still make fun-to-drive cars. Now where’s our Supra?
12-29-10, 10:41 PM
#27
Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com
The M3 was from 2010... and had Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires!
IS-F has EARNED the CROWN from M3!
Buh Bye...
2009 article says the cup tires on the M3 only shaved 0.2 off the previous time with stock PS2.
So yes, stock for stock.. the IS-F is faster on this track by 0.2 seconds.
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12-29-10, 11:41 PM
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If you just want to see review of 2011 IS-F here you go.
Lightning Lap 2011: LL2 Class - Feature
Pages:3
Attachment 195126
The result is BMW M3–matching performance around VIR (3:05.4). That’s heady company for Lexus to be keeping. Especially considering that the IS F weighs 3801 pounds (195 more than the M3) and makes only two additional horsepower, at 416.
Lightning Lap 2011: LL2 Class - Feature
Pages:3
Attachment 195126
The result is BMW M3–matching performance around VIR (3:05.4). That’s heady company for Lexus to be keeping. Especially considering that the IS F weighs 3801 pounds (195 more than the M3) and makes only two additional horsepower, at 416.
Where/how do these magazines/testers keep coming up with the F being 200 pounds heavier than the M3? It's only about 55 pounds heavier than the M3 sedan and 75 for the M3 coupe.
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12-30-10, 04:49 AM
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It looks like the C63 will keep the same engine it has now, while the other models- S, CLS, E - will be getting the updated powerplant. That will probably change for the next generation, but for now the powertrain will be a carryover for 2012.
Plus, the C63 is already so stinking fast that at some point the car is going to reach a wall where even if it does gain 120hp, it's only going to knock the 0-60 down .2 or .3 seconds. Last I saw the car did 0-60 in 3.9 or 4.0. To break much past that (significantly), it takes better aerodynamics and less weight, not just more power.
Plus, the C63 is already so stinking fast that at some point the car is going to reach a wall where even if it does gain 120hp, it's only going to knock the 0-60 down .2 or .3 seconds. Last I saw the car did 0-60 in 3.9 or 4.0. To break much past that (significantly), it takes better aerodynamics and less weight, not just more power.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html
This is from one of members from M3post had to say:
Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com
The M3 was from 2010... and had Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires!
IS-F has EARNED the CROWN from M3!
Buh Bye...
2009 article says the cup tires on the M3 only shaved 0.2 off the previous time with stock PS2.
So yes, stock for stock.. the IS-F is faster on this track by 0.2 seconds.
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2009 Interlagos E90 M3
Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com
The M3 was from 2010... and had Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires!
IS-F has EARNED the CROWN from M3!
Buh Bye...
2009 article says the cup tires on the M3 only shaved 0.2 off the previous time with stock PS2.
So yes, stock for stock.. the IS-F is faster on this track by 0.2 seconds.
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Last edited by MRxSLAYx; 12-30-10 at 04:54 AM.
12-30-10, 04:51 AM
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Then again, I'd also be upset about buying an M3.
