ISF VS 135i Modded??
08-28-11, 07:39 AM
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then that sounds great!
FAIL!!!!!!!!!!
06-14-12, 01:37 PM
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The 1m and the the 135 are running the same power train for the most part. The biggest difference is the tune. Don't waste your money on a 1m. Get the 135 jb4 tune it (that's 100hp from a sub-100$ reflash btw) and use the ****load of money you save to build your own suspension and supporting mods (or pistons/rods/flywheel) and BAM not only an isf killer, but an m3 and possibly m5/6 killer. The 1 is the best thing out of Germany since the Audi Tt rs and costs less...now awd though...
06-14-12, 01:55 PM
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Has the 1M got the same engine as the 135i?
Nope, the engine’s different too – but not unique to M. Outgoes the newer, single blower 3.0-litre straight six, and in its place is the older, twin-turbo 3.0-litre straight six from the Z4 sDrive 35iS. And it means the 1-series M Coupe is a different sort of M car, one that has low-down, almost-any-gear/any-rev gruns, and one that doesn’t need to be extended to an 8000rpm-plus redline to get the very best from it.
as taken from bmwblog. So to answer your question, no its not just a tune
Nope, the engine’s different too – but not unique to M. Outgoes the newer, single blower 3.0-litre straight six, and in its place is the older, twin-turbo 3.0-litre straight six from the Z4 sDrive 35iS. And it means the 1-series M Coupe is a different sort of M car, one that has low-down, almost-any-gear/any-rev gruns, and one that doesn’t need to be extended to an 8000rpm-plus redline to get the very best from it.
as taken from bmwblog. So to answer your question, no its not just a tune
BMW 135i engine code- n54b30
BMW 1m engine code- N54b30A
Or an n55 depending. Engines are so similar any "differences" are negligible, even on the n55 the only real difference is that it's direct injected.
06-14-12, 02:32 PM
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Like someone had already said, you can always mod another car to be faster. The problem with chipping factory forced induction cars is longevity. The turbos weren't made to handle the extra psi, in the long term. Sure the 135i will be fast with a chip, but the turbos won't last. I had a B5 Audi S4 with a GIAC chip. That gave me a 100hp extra both hp and torque. Man was it fast. Did the turbos start to whistle after a while, they did.
I'm certain I can romp on this V8 and it'll last for a long time.
I'm certain I can romp on this V8 and it'll last for a long time.
06-14-12, 02:38 PM
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Here is my opinion on this subject.
I test drove every car that existed in our range, Porsche Turbos, 911, Cayman S, Boxter S, E55 AMG, C63 AMG, CL 65, GTR, M3, M5, S4, RS4, A6....etc....Almost 3+ years before I bought my ISF.
I will not stand behind BMW. I wanted BMW to write a warranty on an M5, slighlty used(17K miles), they would not. They said it has too many moving parts. That broke the camels back. You can put rockets on your car and go faster, but that is not a car. (Read the posts from Lambo engineers). They refuse to put turbos and superchargers, where would you stop, and when will you stop.
When you buy a nicely tuned naturally aspirated engine, which you drive everyday and have a smile and not worried about airbag lights or water pump leaking, It is a good feeling. All my friends with AMG, and 335i drive a lot of rental cars (A lot, it is 50,50).
All the reports about reliability are not lying to you. There is a design choice that each manufacturer makes, like M3 is 200lbs lighter than F. You need to ask, where did they save the weight from? Look at their brakes, number of airbags, the whole bit.
If you just want to go faster, then find the cheapest car and boost it with the biggest turbo and go fast and then keep rebuilding the engine as it breaks.
I test drove every car that existed in our range, Porsche Turbos, 911, Cayman S, Boxter S, E55 AMG, C63 AMG, CL 65, GTR, M3, M5, S4, RS4, A6....etc....Almost 3+ years before I bought my ISF.
I will not stand behind BMW. I wanted BMW to write a warranty on an M5, slighlty used(17K miles), they would not. They said it has too many moving parts. That broke the camels back. You can put rockets on your car and go faster, but that is not a car. (Read the posts from Lambo engineers). They refuse to put turbos and superchargers, where would you stop, and when will you stop.
When you buy a nicely tuned naturally aspirated engine, which you drive everyday and have a smile and not worried about airbag lights or water pump leaking, It is a good feeling. All my friends with AMG, and 335i drive a lot of rental cars (A lot, it is 50,50).
All the reports about reliability are not lying to you. There is a design choice that each manufacturer makes, like M3 is 200lbs lighter than F. You need to ask, where did they save the weight from? Look at their brakes, number of airbags, the whole bit.
If you just want to go faster, then find the cheapest car and boost it with the biggest turbo and go fast and then keep rebuilding the engine as it breaks.
06-15-12, 09:15 AM
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Was just having a nose on the Z4 forum and found this thread which helps illustrate the difference in reliability:
http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewto...a060e75bfcf686
"I've NEVER had a BMW that hasn't had problems, although luckily not as bad as those.
I've had about 6 AUC BMWs (several 3 series and a few 1'ers) and also a brand new 2011 116d and now a brand new Z4.
ALL have had something wrong with them - the AUC cars I am sure could've been fixed before delivery, but I suspect they would have to pay for that out of the cars profit...whereas after delivery, its a warranty job?
The new 1'er had rattles and squeeky folding mirror, and the Z4 has a leak that its in the dealer for the 4th time!
I think quality control no longer goes hand in hand with the BMW brand. OK, there are always going to be some that slip through the net, and I guess some faults don't show up in pre-delivery etc, but my experience...to have something with all of them?"
"My wife has driven Toyota's for 20 years + and has never had a breakdown or any part replaced.
Come on BMW sort yourself out.
http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewto...a060e75bfcf686
"I've NEVER had a BMW that hasn't had problems, although luckily not as bad as those.
I've had about 6 AUC BMWs (several 3 series and a few 1'ers) and also a brand new 2011 116d and now a brand new Z4.
ALL have had something wrong with them - the AUC cars I am sure could've been fixed before delivery, but I suspect they would have to pay for that out of the cars profit...whereas after delivery, its a warranty job?
The new 1'er had rattles and squeeky folding mirror, and the Z4 has a leak that its in the dealer for the 4th time!
I think quality control no longer goes hand in hand with the BMW brand. OK, there are always going to be some that slip through the net, and I guess some faults don't show up in pre-delivery etc, but my experience...to have something with all of them?"
"My wife has driven Toyota's for 20 years + and has never had a breakdown or any part replaced.
Come on BMW sort yourself out.
06-15-12, 12:43 PM
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The BMW's still do have reliability problems. My gf's 2011 328i has been in the shop so many times (trunk won't close properly, passenger side of car gets soaked during rain, brake squeak and I don't even think the car has performance brakes).
My friend claims he has chipped his 135i to have as much hp as a 1M but like others have said, who knows the longevity of it? Why take the risk?
I don't know where you got this info from, the e92 m3 coupe & sedan are around the same curb weight as the IS-F.
My friend claims he has chipped his 135i to have as much hp as a 1M but like others have said, who knows the longevity of it? Why take the risk?
I don't know where you got this info from, the e92 m3 coupe & sedan are around the same curb weight as the IS-F.
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06-18-12, 01:47 AM
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Because its not that big of a risk actually. Sure if you just jb your car and run it on the highest map you're goin to run it into he ground like our friend with the hpfp problems. Like any mod, you need supporting mods. Lots of people run m stomping 335i's and have no issues. They're just smart enough to build up the parts that need it.
06-18-12, 02:51 PM
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The BMW's still do have reliability problems. My gf's 2011 328i has been in the shop so many times (trunk won't close properly, passenger side of car gets soaked during rain, brake squeak and I don't even think the car has performance brakes).
My friend claims he has chipped his 135i to have as much hp as a 1M but like others have said, who knows the longevity of it? Why take the risk?
I don't know where you got this info from, the e92 m3 coupe & sedan are around the same curb weight as the IS-F.
My friend claims he has chipped his 135i to have as much hp as a 1M but like others have said, who knows the longevity of it? Why take the risk?
I don't know where you got this info from, the e92 m3 coupe & sedan are around the same curb weight as the IS-F.
2008 BMW M3 2008 Lexus IS F 2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
Drivetrain layout Front-engine, RWD Front-engine, RWD Front-engine, RWD
Engine type 90 V-8 aluminum block/heads 90 V-8 aluminum block/heads 90 V-8 aluminum block/heads
Valvetrain DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Displacement 244.0 cu in/3999cc 303.2 cu in/4969 cc 378.9 cu in / 6208 cc
Compression ratio 12.0:1 11.8:1 11.3:1
Power (SAE net) 414 hp @ 8300 rpm 416 hp @ 6600 rpm 451 hp @ 6800 rpm
Torque (SAE net) 295 lb-ft @ 3900 rpm 371 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm 443 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
Redline 8300 rpm 6800 rpm 7200 rpm
Weight to power 8.8 lb/hp 9.2 lb/hp 8.9 lb/hp
Transmission 6-speed manual 8-speed automatic 7-speed automatic
Axle/final-drive ratios 3.85:1/3.36:1 2.94:1/2.01:1 2.85:1/2.08:1
Suspension, front; rear Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar Control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar Multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar
Steering ratio 12.5:1 13.6:1 13.5:1
Turns lock-to-lock 2.4 2.9 3
Brakes, f;r 14.2-in vented, drilled disc; 13.8-in vented disc, ABS 14.2-in vented disc; 13.6-in vented disc, ABS 14.2-in vented, drilled disc; 13.0-in vented, drilled disc, ABS
Wheels, f;r 8.5 x 18, 9x5 x 18 in, cast aluminum 8.0 x 19; 9.0x19 in, forged aluminum 8.0x 18; 9.0x18 in, forged aluminum
Tires, f;r 245/35R19 93Y; 265/35R19 98Y Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 225/40R19, 255/35R19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 235/40ZR18 91Y, 255/35R18 95Y Pirelli PZero Rosso
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase 108.7 in 107.5 in 108.9 in
Track, f/r 60.6/60.6 in 61.4/59.6 in 61.7/60.0 in
Length x width x height 180.4 x 71.5 x 57.0 in 183.5 x 71.5 x 55.7 in 186.0 x 70.7 x 56.6 in
Turning circle 36.1 ft 33.5 ft 38.1 ft
Curb weight 3652 lb 3817 lb 4004 lb
Weight dist., f/r 50/50% 54/46% 53/47%
Seating capacity 5 5 5
Headroom, f/r 38.5/37.5 in 37.2/36.7 in 37.1/36.9 in
Legroom, f/r 41.5/34.6 in 43.9/30.6 in 41.7/33.4 in
Shoulder room, f/r 55.4/55.1 in 54.4/52.7 in 54.7/55.1 in
Cargo volume 12.0 cu ft 13.3 cu ft 12.4 cu ft
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1yBTKr68D
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