Other Peoples' Fs
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Or: High-Performance Car, Low-Performance Driver. <-- Me.
So I've lots of experience at low-performance driving but now I have a pretty high-performance car and I want to learn how to drive it. Also, I'm finding all the slow cars and speed limits on normal streets frustrating and want to get a least some track time.
I was looking at Hooked On Driving (HOD) which seems like the cheapest way to get track time with a volunteer "coach." But I need to figure out insurance and also how to fit a helmet between me and the roof of my F. And, I would really like to learn from a real school first and learn in my own car, if possible
So I looked at one famous driving school and it is far away, expensive and they use Cadillacs. Still, I was considering it. I could still learn basic driving in another car if not the limits and characteristics of my own IS F.
Then I checked out the Skip Barber School and discovered their High Performance Driving class features the IS F. Their IS Fs, not mine. Also, it's relatively inexpensive and the Laguna Seca Track is only a 2-hour drive from here.
This is a school with professional instructors rather than volunteer coaches and I can learn in a car like mine, while mine sits safely in the parking lot.
Bingo!
I'm signed up for March 10. In addition to an IS F, I will be driving other cars - the web site says 3 different types of Porsche cars and a Lotus. I also have the option to use my own car if I want, but that raises the issue of insurance again.
The bad news is that most of the day is in the paddock and on the skid pad learning to drive and you only get about 20 minutes of track time. But instruction is what I want first.
Also, their Fs are stock and if they have pre-2011 versions, their Fs will handle differently then mine, which is not ideal.
For this class, a helmet is only needed for the track time, so I'm hoping to see if a helmet works in the F. With only 20 minutes of track time and other cars available, having a helmet that does not fit won't kill the whole day and so I can see how it works. I'm also hoping to find out at the school if someone sells one-day track insurance that could be used for HOD.
Then lots of track time can follow at HOD.
I'm looking forward to this - hoping to come out a better and safer driver.
So I've lots of experience at low-performance driving but now I have a pretty high-performance car and I want to learn how to drive it. Also, I'm finding all the slow cars and speed limits on normal streets frustrating and want to get a least some track time.
I was looking at Hooked On Driving (HOD) which seems like the cheapest way to get track time with a volunteer "coach." But I need to figure out insurance and also how to fit a helmet between me and the roof of my F. And, I would really like to learn from a real school first and learn in my own car, if possible
So I looked at one famous driving school and it is far away, expensive and they use Cadillacs. Still, I was considering it. I could still learn basic driving in another car if not the limits and characteristics of my own IS F.
Then I checked out the Skip Barber School and discovered their High Performance Driving class features the IS F. Their IS Fs, not mine. Also, it's relatively inexpensive and the Laguna Seca Track is only a 2-hour drive from here.
This is a school with professional instructors rather than volunteer coaches and I can learn in a car like mine, while mine sits safely in the parking lot.
Bingo!
I'm signed up for March 10. In addition to an IS F, I will be driving other cars - the web site says 3 different types of Porsche cars and a Lotus. I also have the option to use my own car if I want, but that raises the issue of insurance again.
The bad news is that most of the day is in the paddock and on the skid pad learning to drive and you only get about 20 minutes of track time. But instruction is what I want first.
Also, their Fs are stock and if they have pre-2011 versions, their Fs will handle differently then mine, which is not ideal.
For this class, a helmet is only needed for the track time, so I'm hoping to see if a helmet works in the F. With only 20 minutes of track time and other cars available, having a helmet that does not fit won't kill the whole day and so I can see how it works. I'm also hoping to find out at the school if someone sells one-day track insurance that could be used for HOD.
Then lots of track time can follow at HOD.
I'm looking forward to this - hoping to come out a better and safer driver.
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Good luck. The way I learnt was to drive my STI at a closed track event in TX. I followed my buddy who drove a lancer and after 3 laps I got the feel and the hang. As far as the F goes I still am scared to push it as I need to go to an auto cross or a track to let it rip open so I get the real feel. The driving schools are too expensive or me.
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my guess is you won't even notice the slight improvements in using the older models
quote the lobux signature
the best performance mods are to the driver and not the car
i wish i could do something like that
tracks or schools in canada are few and far between
and one with an isf neevvvveeerrrr
quote the lobux signature
the best performance mods are to the driver and not the car
i wish i could do something like that
tracks or schools in canada are few and far between
and one with an isf neevvvveeerrrr
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my guess is you won't even notice the slight improvements in using the older models
quote the lobux signature
the best performance mods are to the driver and not the car
i wish i could do something like that
tracks or schools in canada are few and far between
and one with an isf neevvvveeerrrr
quote the lobux signature
the best performance mods are to the driver and not the car
i wish i could do something like that
tracks or schools in canada are few and far between
and one with an isf neevvvveeerrrr
http://www.carcontrolschool.com/
Plus in most cases you drive your own car...minus the Laguna Seca Track of course - his track courses take place at the Mosport track.
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You're going to enjoy Laguna Seca. Even if the time for yourself to drive is limited, the experience and training are things you can take with you for future events and track days. I, too, did the Skip Babrbar Performance School, and it was such an amazing time! I think in total there were three of us (all new F owners), and so that allowed for more time on the track. We were able to push the F to the limits without being afraid- for the most part- about something going wrong. If you're having someone attending with you, I'd advise to have them take video of your experience. That way you can see where you might have room for improvement and to prove you were on a race track! Enjoy your time! ![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Oh, and the helmet is a bit of an issue. Even if you're average height, the helmet will be grinding against the topliner of the car. I had to tilt considerably, so afterwards, my neck was hurting bad.
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Oh, and the helmet is a bit of an issue. Even if you're average height, the helmet will be grinding against the topliner of the car. I had to tilt considerably, so afterwards, my neck was hurting bad.
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They have several categories of classes but the one I'm taking (that uses the IS Fs) is the 1-day high performance driving class. Their prices for that are:
1-day class = $1,800
2-day class = $3,200
But I clicked on the "Deals" tab at their website and got a better price for a near-term event. (I guess prices go down as the day approaches and spots remain available.) So I paid $1,080 for the 1-day class. I paid an additional $175 for insurance in case I break one of their cars. (I paid up-front and it's not refundable at this point.)
Also, one night in a hotel in Monterey and round-trip gas.
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/SB%20IS%20F.jpg)
http://www.skipbarber.com/default.asp
1-day class = $1,800
2-day class = $3,200
But I clicked on the "Deals" tab at their website and got a better price for a near-term event. (I guess prices go down as the day approaches and spots remain available.) So I paid $1,080 for the 1-day class. I paid an additional $175 for insurance in case I break one of their cars. (I paid up-front and it's not refundable at this point.)
Also, one night in a hotel in Monterey and round-trip gas.
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/SB%20IS%20F.jpg)
http://www.skipbarber.com/default.asp
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They have several categories of classes but the one I'm taking (that uses the IS Fs) is the 1-day high performance driving class. Their prices for that are:
1-day class = $1,800
2-day class = $3,200
But I clicked on the "Deals" tab at their website and got a better price for a near-term event. (I guess prices go down as the day approaches and spots remain available.) So I paid $1,080 for the 1-day class. I paid an additional $175 for insurance in case I break one of their cars. (I paid up-front and it's not refundable at this point.)
Also, one night in a hotel in Monterey and round-trip gas.
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/SB%20IS%20F.jpg)
http://www.skipbarber.com/default.asp
1-day class = $1,800
2-day class = $3,200
But I clicked on the "Deals" tab at their website and got a better price for a near-term event. (I guess prices go down as the day approaches and spots remain available.) So I paid $1,080 for the 1-day class. I paid an additional $175 for insurance in case I break one of their cars. (I paid up-front and it's not refundable at this point.)
Also, one night in a hotel in Monterey and round-trip gas.
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/SB%20IS%20F.jpg)
http://www.skipbarber.com/default.asp
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I suggest you buy Bondurant's driving book. It will tell you all the basics of driving. Tire footprint, weight transfer, over/understeer., Finding the apex, centrifugal force etc.
They will go over those concepts on the Skip Barber class but it helps once you go through the class to study the book, it all comes together. When I think about it, the same info they put out on Skip Barber you can find in the documents for Gran Turismo 3.
Basically the best way to get to be as fast as you can in order of importance as far as time gained:
1. Correct Line
2. Maximizing exit speed out of the corner
3. Braking as late as possible.
The key words I remeber from the class are "Slow in, Fast out". Good on you for investing in your driving skills first than on the car.
They will go over those concepts on the Skip Barber class but it helps once you go through the class to study the book, it all comes together. When I think about it, the same info they put out on Skip Barber you can find in the documents for Gran Turismo 3.
Basically the best way to get to be as fast as you can in order of importance as far as time gained:
1. Correct Line
2. Maximizing exit speed out of the corner
3. Braking as late as possible.
The key words I remeber from the class are "Slow in, Fast out". Good on you for investing in your driving skills first than on the car.
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I suggest you buy Bondurant's driving book. It will tell you all the basics of driving. Tire footprint, weight transfer, over/understeer., Finding the apex, centrifugal force etc.
They will go over those concepts on the Skip Barber class but it helps once you go through the class to study the book, it all comes together. When I think about it, the same info they put out on Skip Barber you can find in the documents for Gran Turismo 3.
Basically the best way to get to be as fast as you can in order of importance as far as time gained:
1. Correct Line
2. Maximizing exit speed out of the corner
3. Braking as late as possible.
The key words I remeber from the class are "Slow in, Fast out". Good on you for investing in your driving skills first than on the car.
They will go over those concepts on the Skip Barber class but it helps once you go through the class to study the book, it all comes together. When I think about it, the same info they put out on Skip Barber you can find in the documents for Gran Turismo 3.
Basically the best way to get to be as fast as you can in order of importance as far as time gained:
1. Correct Line
2. Maximizing exit speed out of the corner
3. Braking as late as possible.
The key words I remeber from the class are "Slow in, Fast out". Good on you for investing in your driving skills first than on the car.
Now to find some gloves - to counter the unlikely event of sweaty palms.
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I learned a lot today and improved my skills but I have a lot more to learn so I will probably go back for more.
BTW, compared to the other cars used in the school, the F is a monster as is in: POWER!
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Anyway, unless you already know all this stuff, the course is highly recommended for anyone interested in driving.
So here are some pix from Skip Barber High Performance Driving School at Mazda Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, CA, March 10, 2012.
Jail bait safe in the parking lot (aka Terry's 2011 Mercury Metallic / Black Lexus IS F) and somebody's Lotus Elise:
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Jailbait2.jpg)
Auto cross and don't let the ball out of the bowl:
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Keep%20the%20ball.jpg)
Skidpad Mazda RX8:
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/skidpad.jpg)
Lotus Evora driven in rapid lane-change exercise (Cool Car, I like it!):
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Lotus.jpg)
Old man in Lexus (2011 Matador Red Mica / Alpine & Black Lexus IS F):
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Porsche%20in%20my%20way.jpg)
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Oldman1.jpg)
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Oldman%202.jpg)
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Oldman%203.jpg)
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Oldman4.jpg)
![](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/58343928/Pix%20for%20Club%20Lexus/Skip%20Barber/Oldman5.jpg)