SOCAL IS F Track Day - Willow Springs
06-05-12, 08:02 AM
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Maybe the driver is the bottleneck. Proper suspension set up for me is important. I don't want to waste my tires on the track on a stock suspension. Also having camber issues. It suppose to be better grip on the turns, but it will eat your inside tire quick. I never run any car on a track yet only bikes. I have all my bike suspension properly setup for me. Everyone can run fast on the straight, but when I comes in the turn. Well see.
06-05-12, 11:02 AM
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Suspension does make a difference though....Although I know that Brian (Apexsports) is a much better driver than I am, there were turns that I just couldn't take as fast, because the car did not feel as planted and I believe it wasn't my driving ability, but rather the confidence that the car would give me. When I was following Brian when he and my friend in a WRX STi took off, I could see his car was much more stable as he entered turns faster than I did, but he's running KW V3s and the Sikky RSB, wider tires, wider stance, etc.
However, if the purpose of a track day is to have fun and learn how to drive the car at the limit, coilovers are unnecessary IMO. All you're doing by adding coilovers, super sticky tires, etc is increasing the car's limit which makes that limit harder to approach, more dangerous (higher speeds), and generally increases the learning curve.
... but of course if you're #1 focus is lap times, bragging rights, and looking cool then by all means drop the $$ on mods.
Hey, somebody's gotta rock sexy F's, right? 
That being said, I'm upgrading my tires once I wear out my OEM's
06-05-12, 11:18 AM
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Oh I'm sure it makes a difference. And I can totally understand wanting to adjust the alignment to get more even tire wear. That's something I want to look into before my next track day.
However, if the purpose of a track day is to have fun and learn how to drive the car at the limit, coilovers are unnecessary IMO. All you're doing by adding coilovers, super sticky tires, etc is increasing the car's limit which makes that limit harder to approach, more dangerous (higher speeds), and generally increases the learning curve.
... but of course if you're #1 focus is lap times, bragging rights, and looking cool then by all means drop the $$ on mods. Hey, somebody's gotta rock sexy F's, right?
That being said, I'm upgrading my tires once I wear out my OEM's
However, if the purpose of a track day is to have fun and learn how to drive the car at the limit, coilovers are unnecessary IMO. All you're doing by adding coilovers, super sticky tires, etc is increasing the car's limit which makes that limit harder to approach, more dangerous (higher speeds), and generally increases the learning curve.
... but of course if you're #1 focus is lap times, bragging rights, and looking cool then by all means drop the $$ on mods.
Hey, somebody's gotta rock sexy F's, right? That being said, I'm upgrading my tires once I wear out my OEM's
06-05-12, 01:02 PM
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Agreed...summer is starting and it's gonna be way too hot. I'm down for some K1 karting though...
And yes, I was hitting 5 bars with AC on.
Suspension does make a difference though....Although I know that Brian (Apexsports) is a much better driver than I am, there were turns that I just couldn't take as fast, because the car did not feel as planted and I believe it wasn't my driving ability, but rather the confidence that the car would give me. When I was following Brian when he and my friend in a WRX STi took off, I could see his car was much more stable as he entered turns faster than I did, but he's running KW V3s and the Sikky RSB, wider tires, wider stance, etc.
But I also agree with you that if you put two identical cars with different drivers, it will come up to the driver... But did Brian do his mods because he felt he was the bottleneck? I think not....
No wind tunnel testing...that diffuser is all show no go. Have you seen big a real diffuser is?
Plus there's so many other elements that must go under the car to to channel the air from the front diffuser through the underbody components, then out the back at a specific velocity to generate negative pressure.
And yes, I was hitting 5 bars with AC on.Suspension does make a difference though....Although I know that Brian (Apexsports) is a much better driver than I am, there were turns that I just couldn't take as fast, because the car did not feel as planted and I believe it wasn't my driving ability, but rather the confidence that the car would give me. When I was following Brian when he and my friend in a WRX STi took off, I could see his car was much more stable as he entered turns faster than I did, but he's running KW V3s and the Sikky RSB, wider tires, wider stance, etc.
But I also agree with you that if you put two identical cars with different drivers, it will come up to the driver... But did Brian do his mods because he felt he was the bottleneck? I think not....
No wind tunnel testing...that diffuser is all show no go. Have you seen big a real diffuser is?
Plus there's so many other elements that must go under the car to to channel the air from the front diffuser through the underbody components, then out the back at a specific velocity to generate negative pressure.
Maybe we should go ahead and setup our next canyon/street drive (Dana Point run still happening?) or somewhere along the coast where temps are lower until we do Willow at the end of summer? Temps in Rosamond are ridiculously high in the summer months.
If we keep this thread bumped through the summer we'll hopefully be able to get closer to 20 F's together for the track day.
Maybe the driver is the bottleneck. Proper suspension set up for me is important. I don't want to waste my tires on the track on a stock suspension. Also having camber issues. It suppose to be better grip on the turns, but it will eat your inside tire quick. I never run any car on a track yet only bikes. I have all my bike suspension properly setup for me. Everyone can run fast on the straight, but when I comes in the turn. Well see.
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06-05-12, 01:37 PM
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What track were you spending time on with your bike?[/QUOTE]
Buttonwillow and Pahrump. Always want to go to CVR, but my bike didnt make it. It got stolen only 1600 mile with two track days. I miss it, but I'm safer on the car. I mean my other half don't want me to get a bike. Have a baby on the way. So I got the F.
Buttonwillow and Pahrump. Always want to go to CVR, but my bike didnt make it. It got stolen only 1600 mile with two track days. I miss it, but I'm safer on the car. I mean my other half don't want me to get a bike. Have a baby on the way. So I got the F.
06-05-12, 04:13 PM
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06-05-12, 06:22 PM
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Sorry to hear about your bike getting ripped off. 6-7 yrs ago I was in the hospital for two weeks and had both of my bikes at the time parked in my condo, as I thought it would be more secure than my garage. Long story short, when I got out of the hospital both bikes were stolen including all of my track gear and basically everything I owned of value.
F'n thieves
The highlight for me besides the canyons was when we went through those tunnels. The sound of all of us stomping on it was priceless lol.
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