No Future ISF?
11-11-12, 01:10 PM
#31
all they added to the IPL were some aero parts, upgraded suspension, performance intake - it only increased it over the regular G by a few ponies - I had looked into that option as well - when I first heard about it I thought it was going to be Infinitis version of a GTR - far far from being anything close!
11-11-12, 04:09 PM
#32
IS-F does not need to be AWD. The IS 250 comes in AWD if people need a winter car. Performance cars are not geared toward using in the snow. Just like people aren't going to buy an M3 or Z06 as an all season car. There are plenty of AWD cars available for that market of people.
I bought the car for unbelievable fun and performance.
11-11-12, 06:26 PM
#33
Lexus Champion
Yes I understand, but the 2008 ISF was the first F product ever so the timeline isn't necessarily indicative of what it will be this time. I can understand waiting 1 year to make sure that the performance model is properly built on a new platform, but 2 years would just be bad business.
Think about it...they release a new IS model next year. They say NOTHING about an F model...keeps everyone on their toes. They release an F Sport model of the new 3rd gen IS...you as a consumer goes..."crap, no one has said anything if a F is coming out or not"...but if this new 3rd gen IS looks as good as many of us hopes, you'll end up buying it as an F sport...
Maybe you think you can hold out? but then maybe your current car goes kaput? Then you HAVE to get a new car. What do you do? Buy something cheap to hold out and hope an IS F comes out?
Then the F bomb will be released...everyone trades in their 3rd gen IS350 for a new 2nd gen IS F. Lexus just sold two cars...same model...what's bad business about that?
Look how many guys on this forum have come from an IS250/350 to an IS F...
It may not necessarily be an accurate time line because the IS F has no history, but the thing it is it doesn't need to. Look at all the other performance brands out there...no one shows their cards early because they want to extend the product life cycle.
Look what Porsche does...new 991 911 released this year as a 2012 model. 911 and S models come out first...then the cabs come, then the 4S come...turbo, turbo S, GT3s...none of them announced...but you know it's coming.
11-11-12, 06:29 PM
#34
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11-11-12, 07:27 PM
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Has no one seen this link? I think we're good.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...confirmed.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...confirmed.html
11-11-12, 07:42 PM
#36
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It just talks about an IS F-Sport...nothing about an IS F...we all know that Lexus will be releasing many F-Sport models to come.
The thing is, the IS F I'm sure is coming, the question is when, and what's the power going into it.
The thing is, the IS F I'm sure is coming, the question is when, and what's the power going into it.
11-11-12, 09:22 PM
#39
Bad business? I think you're just speaking from the perspective of someone that just wants a new toy. It's not bad business at all...it's sales and marketing
Think about it...they release a new IS model next year. They say NOTHING about an F model...keeps everyone on their toes. They release an F Sport model of the new 3rd gen IS...you as a consumer goes..."crap, no one has said anything if a F is coming out or not"...but if this new 3rd gen IS looks as good as many of us hopes, you'll end up buying it as an F sport...
Maybe you think you can hold out? but then maybe your current car goes kaput? Then you HAVE to get a new car. What do you do? Buy something cheap to hold out and hope an IS F comes out?
Then the F bomb will be released...everyone trades in their 3rd gen IS350 for a new 2nd gen IS F. Lexus just sold two cars...same model...what's bad business about that?
Look how many guys on this forum have come from an IS250/350 to an IS F...
It may not necessarily be an accurate time line because the IS F has no history, but the thing it is it doesn't need to. Look at all the other performance brands out there...no one shows their cards early because they want to extend the product life cycle.
Look what Porsche does...new 991 911 released this year as a 2012 model. 911 and S models come out first...then the cabs come, then the 4S come...turbo, turbo S, GT3s...none of them announced...but you know it's coming.
Think about it...they release a new IS model next year. They say NOTHING about an F model...keeps everyone on their toes. They release an F Sport model of the new 3rd gen IS...you as a consumer goes..."crap, no one has said anything if a F is coming out or not"...but if this new 3rd gen IS looks as good as many of us hopes, you'll end up buying it as an F sport...
Maybe you think you can hold out? but then maybe your current car goes kaput? Then you HAVE to get a new car. What do you do? Buy something cheap to hold out and hope an IS F comes out?
Then the F bomb will be released...everyone trades in their 3rd gen IS350 for a new 2nd gen IS F. Lexus just sold two cars...same model...what's bad business about that?
Look how many guys on this forum have come from an IS250/350 to an IS F...
It may not necessarily be an accurate time line because the IS F has no history, but the thing it is it doesn't need to. Look at all the other performance brands out there...no one shows their cards early because they want to extend the product life cycle.
Look what Porsche does...new 991 911 released this year as a 2012 model. 911 and S models come out first...then the cabs come, then the 4S come...turbo, turbo S, GT3s...none of them announced...but you know it's coming.
11-12-12, 08:10 AM
#40
I don't know why people are hating so much on the G37 IPL. It is a sick looking car IMO and I have yet to see one in person. I do agree the speed bump up to 350hp is not enough to compete and considering it's ~3700lb doesn't help either. If it was 400+ hp I would have considered getting it.
As far as the "next gen ISF" debate goes, everything is speculation until a dealer actually gets one.
As far as the "next gen ISF" debate goes, everything is speculation until a dealer actually gets one.
11-12-12, 05:43 PM
#42
Yes I understand, but the 2008 ISF was the first F product ever so the timeline isn't necessarily indicative of what it will be this time. I can understand waiting 1 year to make sure that the performance model is properly built on a new platform, but 2 years would just be bad business.
It's a marketing investment. The F and LFA are probably nearly twice as much to produce.
11-13-12, 07:00 AM
#44
Yes I understand, but the 2008 ISF was the first F product ever so the timeline isn't necessarily indicative of what it will be this time. I can understand waiting 1 year to make sure that the performance model is properly built on a new platform, but 2 years would just be bad business.
While Lexus has certainly done a good job improving the ISF (Torsen LSD & suspension) since 2008, it still seems that they are doing as little as possible to really show that they are serious about having a performance line. In my opinion the F Sport line doesn't count (you need a decently more powerful engine to be considered a performance model, not just suspension, brakes, wheels, & tires). The F Sport line is very important (and smart) for Lexus, but they still need to produce a few "real" F models.
Audi, MB, & BMW have a performance version of most vehicles they sell. Lexus has the ISF and the mostly unattainable LFA. If Lexus goes several years without an ISF, what does that say about the F line being anything more than a marketing ploy to trick buyers into thinking Lexus is performance oriented?
Now I doubt Lexus will not sell the ISF for a model year. Instead I think they will have a 2015 2nd generation ISF. I would also hope they will do what other companies do and make some truly appealing upgrades to the last model year of the current generation in order to make it more viable against competition with newer models. Lexus should offer a performance package on the 2014 ISF similar to what MB offers on some of their AMG models. Give me a $7,000 performance package with lighter wheels, wider tires, bump power to 450 hp, lighter two piece rotors, and maybe a CF roof...Hell, I would consider buying a 2014 if they did that.
?Next generation going to be more powerful and cost a bit more