Lexus IS-F Discontinued
03-21-13, 01:07 PM
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Only time will tell...upcoming 4 door M3 is sounding pretty good from my chair right now. Lexus can play games all they want with this publicity stuff.
03-21-13, 05:36 PM
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If you want something with the best balance of handling and performance, buy a M3
If you want something that is designed by a bunch of mad scientists with insane power, buy an AMG.
If you want something with some racing technology, buy an Audi
If you want something that is quiet and is made for old men...buy a Lexus
If you want something that is designed by a bunch of mad scientists with insane power, buy an AMG.
If you want something with some racing technology, buy an Audi
If you want something that is quiet and is made for old men...buy a Lexus
03-21-13, 09:42 PM
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Speak for yourself!
03-21-13, 11:08 PM
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If you want something with the best balance of handling and performance, buy a M3
If you want something that is designed by a bunch of mad scientists with insane power, buy an AMG.
If you want something with some racing technology, buy an Audi
If you want something that is quiet and is made for old men...buy a Lexus
If you want something that is designed by a bunch of mad scientists with insane power, buy an AMG.
If you want something with some racing technology, buy an Audi
If you want something that is quiet and is made for old men...buy a Lexus
03-21-13, 11:16 PM
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03-22-13, 07:06 AM
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If you want something with the best balance of handling and performance, buy a M3
If you want something that is designed by a bunch of mad scientists with insane power, buy an AMG.
If you want something with some racing technology, buy an Audi
If you want something that is quiet and is made for old men...buy a Lexus
If you want something that is designed by a bunch of mad scientists with insane power, buy an AMG.
If you want something with some racing technology, buy an Audi
If you want something that is quiet and is made for old men...buy a Lexus
03-22-13, 07:22 AM
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03-22-13, 08:03 AM
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991 Porsche Carrera S4??? Dude...the new Porsche 991 911 GT3....
You can't really compare any other car to the M3, IS F, C63...of course I forgot the V cars.
03-22-13, 07:44 PM
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03-22-13, 07:45 PM
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GTR isn't in the same class of cars...which is a sensible 4 door car, then stuffed with a big power, suspension, and brake upgrades. GTR was a purpose built car.
991 Porsche Carrera S4??? Dude...the new Porsche 991 911 GT3....
You can't really compare any other car to the M3, IS F, C63...of course I forgot the V cars.
991 Porsche Carrera S4??? Dude...the new Porsche 991 911 GT3....
You can't really compare any other car to the M3, IS F, C63...of course I forgot the V cars.
03-24-13, 02:09 PM
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For all this debate of the F “being discontinued” or not, have you all factored in on what "discontinue" means in the article? To me when it comes to car manufacturers nowadays, discontinue means short-term hiatus.
Hiatus meaning, since we assumed that the next F would not come out until at least 2 years after the redesigned IS comes out, wouldn't it be plausible to think that the F is on-hiatus or to some other people, use the term, "discontinued" for a couple of years until the new one is finished?
Why the hiatus? Well since the current F isn't doing all that great in sales, why commit your factory resources to produce such a low-volume model for the next 2 years? Why not take those resources and commit them to other new models? Why continually spend so much R&D every year from 2008-2012 with the 2012/2013 being much improved over the 2008 model. Typically in between or mid-cycle updates to a particular model has always been aesthetic to increase sales. But not for the F, the updates hasn't been aesthetic, but always been internal involving the driving dynamics of the car (LSD, suspension, etc.).
To me, it is completely plausible that they stopped focusing in on the current F, take the next two years to engineer the next F for either 2015 or 2016. So to me a 2-year hiatus is not a big deal and is not similar to case of the beloved Supra since there is still competition out there in the form of M3s (now called M4s), C63s, and RS-5s. Remember, after lessons learned from the LFA and a new way of thinking, Lexus wants to put the best out there to lead, not to follow. My $0.02.
Hiatus meaning, since we assumed that the next F would not come out until at least 2 years after the redesigned IS comes out, wouldn't it be plausible to think that the F is on-hiatus or to some other people, use the term, "discontinued" for a couple of years until the new one is finished?
Why the hiatus? Well since the current F isn't doing all that great in sales, why commit your factory resources to produce such a low-volume model for the next 2 years? Why not take those resources and commit them to other new models? Why continually spend so much R&D every year from 2008-2012 with the 2012/2013 being much improved over the 2008 model. Typically in between or mid-cycle updates to a particular model has always been aesthetic to increase sales. But not for the F, the updates hasn't been aesthetic, but always been internal involving the driving dynamics of the car (LSD, suspension, etc.).
To me, it is completely plausible that they stopped focusing in on the current F, take the next two years to engineer the next F for either 2015 or 2016. So to me a 2-year hiatus is not a big deal and is not similar to case of the beloved Supra since there is still competition out there in the form of M3s (now called M4s), C63s, and RS-5s. Remember, after lessons learned from the LFA and a new way of thinking, Lexus wants to put the best out there to lead, not to follow. My $0.02.
Lexus is repositioning its machines for the driving enthusiast. You will see a new F in the out years. For those of you who think Lexus is for "the older man," think twice. BTW: many of you would not even have the "F" if it were not for the older guys who put up the bucks to have this awesome machine built in limited production and available for repurchase.
Your welcome. );-)
03-24-13, 02:53 PM
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I agree with the logic. I also believe, as a previous Bimmer owner, that the 2012/13 has surpassed the M3. I am not alone in this belief.
Lexus is repositioning its machines for the driving enthusiast. You will see a new F in the out years. For those of you who think Lexus is for "the older man," think twice. BTW: many of you would not even have the "F" if it were not for the older guys who put up the bucks to have this awesome machine built in limited production and available for repurchase.
Your welcome. );-)
Lexus is repositioning its machines for the driving enthusiast. You will see a new F in the out years. For those of you who think Lexus is for "the older man," think twice. BTW: many of you would not even have the "F" if it were not for the older guys who put up the bucks to have this awesome machine built in limited production and available for repurchase.
Your welcome. );-)
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03-25-13, 09:36 AM
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updated but still speculation. japan says the 4 door isf as we know it is finished. rcf and gsf are on the way. both are using the 3ur-gse engine and making 465 ps. rcf 0-60 3.9 seconds, gsf 0-60 4.4 seconds. the speculated price...... yikes both over $100,000 in japan. stateside prices not published yet
