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04-03-13, 08:25 AM
#31
Just saw forum sponsor, Detailer's Domain, post up this thread in the Detailing Section...
Detailer's Domain heads to P Tuning to Opti Coat 10 cars in 2 days!
... much just be a big waste of time since apparently these coatings don't work though, huh?
04-03-13, 08:47 AM
#33
As far as the paint correction - you can purchase the tools and equipment required for much less than $1000, and it is quite easy to learn. The dual action polishers are very safe, even for beginners that have never machine polished before. The risk of "burning" your paint is slim to none.
I can elaborate on the products needed if you would like.
-zach
04-03-13, 08:59 AM
#34
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Buy the opti-coat kit yourself and do it for $60. Of course that requires lots of elbow grease in prepping the paint and proper application. A competitive price for detail and coating in Socal is $500 or less, depending on workmanship. $1k seems way high, unless a massage is included.
04-03-13, 09:01 AM
#35
Lexus Champion
lmao....zmcgovern4 is serious about this.....
As I've said....It's not that I don't believe the product won't do a great job protecting the car. It's the fact that people are saying it lasts for the life of the car. If people said this product will last 12 months...ok...maybe i'll buy that statement, but the life of the car? common now...
You even said it yourself when you say
"Swirls, scratches, oxidation, etc are all still going to occur even with the coating... but you will NOT need to seal or wax your car while the coating is on your vehicle. Chances are you will need to polish the car again at some point, which would remove the coating, however another benefit of having the coating is that when polishing, you are removing less clear coat since the coating was there. make sense?"
If you're removing the coating by performing paint correction...then does it last the life time of the car? That is the statement in which i'm revolving around that it's a false claim...not the fact that it doesn't do a great job in protecting the car.
Maybe I'll buy some of this opti-coat and do half of the hood of my car and see how it looks after a few years.
As I've said....It's not that I don't believe the product won't do a great job protecting the car. It's the fact that people are saying it lasts for the life of the car. If people said this product will last 12 months...ok...maybe i'll buy that statement, but the life of the car? common now...
You even said it yourself when you say
"Swirls, scratches, oxidation, etc are all still going to occur even with the coating... but you will NOT need to seal or wax your car while the coating is on your vehicle. Chances are you will need to polish the car again at some point, which would remove the coating, however another benefit of having the coating is that when polishing, you are removing less clear coat since the coating was there. make sense?"
If you're removing the coating by performing paint correction...then does it last the life time of the car? That is the statement in which i'm revolving around that it's a false claim...not the fact that it doesn't do a great job in protecting the car.
Maybe I'll buy some of this opti-coat and do half of the hood of my car and see how it looks after a few years.
04-03-13, 09:04 AM
#36
lmao....zmcgovern4 is serious about this.....
As I've said....It's not that I don't believe the product won't do a great job protecting the car. It's the fact that people are saying it lasts for the life of the car. If people said this product will last 12 months...ok...maybe i'll buy that statement, but the life of the car? common now...
You even said it yourself when you say
"Swirls, scratches, oxidation, etc are all still going to occur even with the coating... but you will NOT need to seal or wax your car while the coating is on your vehicle. Chances are you will need to polish the car again at some point, which would remove the coating, however another benefit of having the coating is that when polishing, you are removing less clear coat since the coating was there. make sense?"
If you're removing the coating by performing paint correction...then does it last the life time of the car? That is the statement in which i'm revolving around that it's a false claim...not the fact that it doesn't do a great job in protecting the car.
As I've said....It's not that I don't believe the product won't do a great job protecting the car. It's the fact that people are saying it lasts for the life of the car. If people said this product will last 12 months...ok...maybe i'll buy that statement, but the life of the car? common now...
You even said it yourself when you say
"Swirls, scratches, oxidation, etc are all still going to occur even with the coating... but you will NOT need to seal or wax your car while the coating is on your vehicle. Chances are you will need to polish the car again at some point, which would remove the coating, however another benefit of having the coating is that when polishing, you are removing less clear coat since the coating was there. make sense?"
If you're removing the coating by performing paint correction...then does it last the life time of the car? That is the statement in which i'm revolving around that it's a false claim...not the fact that it doesn't do a great job in protecting the car.
Removing the coating by performing paint correction is a choice... you are choosing to remove the coating by machine polishing the paint. The coating is not wearing off or failing. Therefore this is absolutely NOT a false claim that the coating can and will last the life of the car... At this point you are just trying to find ways to keep up your argument.
04-03-13, 11:42 AM
#37
For Zach (and Zack) and any other detailing gurus out there:
Can you do a scratch/swirl remover from 3M clear bra material, or is that pretty much screwed? Zapa has seen my car. It could be better, but it isn't that bad. Where my swirls and scratches are most pronounced however are on the clearbra that I have going about 1/3rd of the way up my hood. It isn't even a year old, but I think the guy who detailed my car last didn't use a different pad when he transitioned to the clearbra and now it looks marred up. I'm tempted to just take it off, as rock chips would probably look better, but if it can be fixed, I'll fix it.
By the way, I plan on giving Zapa the next shot to detail my car. He lives around the corner from me. It is black, so his skills should show through if he's good
. I'm thinking a 1 or 2 step at most will be all I need.
Here it was after my last detail about 6 months ago:
Can you do a scratch/swirl remover from 3M clear bra material, or is that pretty much screwed? Zapa has seen my car. It could be better, but it isn't that bad. Where my swirls and scratches are most pronounced however are on the clearbra that I have going about 1/3rd of the way up my hood. It isn't even a year old, but I think the guy who detailed my car last didn't use a different pad when he transitioned to the clearbra and now it looks marred up. I'm tempted to just take it off, as rock chips would probably look better, but if it can be fixed, I'll fix it.
By the way, I plan on giving Zapa the next shot to detail my car. He lives around the corner from me. It is black, so his skills should show through if he's good
. I'm thinking a 1 or 2 step at most will be all I need.Here it was after my last detail about 6 months ago:
04-03-13, 11:56 AM
#38
For Zach (and Zack) and any other detailing gurus out there:
Can you do a scratch/swirl remover from 3M clear bra material, or is that pretty much screwed? Zapa has seen my car. It could be better, but it isn't that bad. Where my swirls and scratches are most pronounced however are on the clearbra that I have going about 1/3rd of the way up my hood. It isn't even a year old, but I think the guy who detailed my car last didn't use a different pad when he transitioned to the clearbra and now it looks marred up. I'm tempted to just take it off, as rock chips would probably look better, but if it can be fixed, I'll fix it.
By the way, I plan on giving Zapa the next shot to detail my car. He lives around the corner from me. It is black, so his skills should show through if he's good. I'm thinking a 1 or 2 step at most will be all I need.
Here it was after my last detail about 6 months ago:
Can you do a scratch/swirl remover from 3M clear bra material, or is that pretty much screwed? Zapa has seen my car. It could be better, but it isn't that bad. Where my swirls and scratches are most pronounced however are on the clearbra that I have going about 1/3rd of the way up my hood. It isn't even a year old, but I think the guy who detailed my car last didn't use a different pad when he transitioned to the clearbra and now it looks marred up. I'm tempted to just take it off, as rock chips would probably look better, but if it can be fixed, I'll fix it.
By the way, I plan on giving Zapa the next shot to detail my car. He lives around the corner from me. It is black, so his skills should show through if he's good
. I'm thinking a 1 or 2 step at most will be all I need.Here it was after my last detail about 6 months ago:
Before:
After:
Yeah, you shouldn't need more than a 2 step with soft Lexus paint... a 1 step would typically suffice if you have only very minimal swirls. But since the paint is so soft, even a moderate polish can leave marring behind, forcing you to do a 2nd step with a very fine finishing polish for best results. It sounds like Zapa is a great candidate for the job! He seems to know exactly what he is doing!
04-03-13, 12:41 PM
#39
Lead Lap
Nice, knoweledge isgreat power, and lac ofshould drive research..ome shoul not judge based upon lack thereof..but here are some pics of extensive corrections with optimum as sealant. Thres cars below were wet sanded with 3M trizact, polished wth Menzerna FG400/MeguirsMF pad with PC orbital, then Menzerna 2500/LC whitepad with Flex orbital withforced rotation, then Menzerna 4000,4500 polish/LC blue and black pad with Makita rotary, and then Optimum with Wolfang Fuzion on top 
enjoy a few pics. Heres some before and afters..on cars at 200K plus
enjoy a few pics. Heres some before and afters..on cars at 200K plus
04-03-13, 12:48 PM
#40
Lead Lap
here are some more photos i ould resist..srry if to large I amtransfering them on ipad. Just applied optimum to the F to sho clarity of this sealant after full wet sand etc.
04-03-13, 03:08 PM
#42
Lexus Test Driver
For Zach (and Zack) and any other detailing gurus out there:
Can you do a scratch/swirl remover from 3M clear bra material, or is that pretty much screwed? Zapa has seen my car. It could be better, but it isn't that bad. Where my swirls and scratches are most pronounced however are on the clearbra that I have going about 1/3rd of the way up my hood. It isn't even a year old, but I think the guy who detailed my car last didn't use a different pad when he transitioned to the clearbra and now it looks marred up. I'm tempted to just take it off, as rock chips would probably look better, but if it can be fixed, I'll fix it.
By the way, I plan on giving Zapa the next shot to detail my car. He lives around the corner from me. It is black, so his skills should show through if he's good. I'm thinking a 1 or 2 step at most will be all I need.
Can you do a scratch/swirl remover from 3M clear bra material, or is that pretty much screwed? Zapa has seen my car. It could be better, but it isn't that bad. Where my swirls and scratches are most pronounced however are on the clearbra that I have going about 1/3rd of the way up my hood. It isn't even a year old, but I think the guy who detailed my car last didn't use a different pad when he transitioned to the clearbra and now it looks marred up. I'm tempted to just take it off, as rock chips would probably look better, but if it can be fixed, I'll fix it.
By the way, I plan on giving Zapa the next shot to detail my car. He lives around the corner from me. It is black, so his skills should show through if he's good
. I'm thinking a 1 or 2 step at most will be all I need.Like I said man 22ple is am amazing product and it will be going on my car as soon as my new paint cures.
Let me know if you want it done before the dover meet so you can be looking like a boss. Black cars are my favorite to detail.
It can most likely be improved. Some clear bras, however, seem to be pretty resistant to polishing... though in my experience it is usually the older films that do not clean up well. The newer, clearer films can look great... see pics below.
Yeah, you shouldn't need more than a 2 step with soft Lexus paint... a 1 step would typically suffice if you have only very minimal swirls. But since the paint is so soft, even a moderate polish can leave marring behind, forcing you to do a 2nd step with a very fine finishing polish for best results. It sounds like Zapa is a great candidate for the job! He seems to know exactly what he is doing!
Yeah, you shouldn't need more than a 2 step with soft Lexus paint... a 1 step would typically suffice if you have only very minimal swirls. But since the paint is so soft, even a moderate polish can leave marring behind, forcing you to do a 2nd step with a very fine finishing polish for best results. It sounds like Zapa is a great candidate for the job! He seems to know exactly what he is doing!
They are the factory fogs