USDM ISF ECU TUNE - FINAL STAGE! 2008-2013 Owner needed!
05-20-14, 07:49 PM
#202
Is the bottom end and valvetrain good for the new rpm limit? There are too few details surrounding this tune to give me the comfy feeling. It would be nice if you could get a SARD engineer to sign up so we could ask him/her questions directly. How much is the car leaned out? How much total ignition advance is added? Engine and transmission durability questions would certainly be on the table for us header/exhaust guys if the tune actually is good for another 40hp. The raised rpm limit is the real area of question for me. Rpms kill engines much faster than power will.
05-20-14, 09:41 PM
#204
JDM parts have always been more expensive, when i had ISx50 to replace rear view mirror was $1200 so price is relative. Some people have no problem spending $2400 for Axel Back Meisterschaft Stainless GTS Exhaust or $7000 for Novel headers and exhaust, equal length headers and exhaust for e90's M3 also cost around $7K range. They make cars sound great but are they worth money ? Or $5k on set of rims and tires are they worth money in my opinion no but for those that don't mind paying price good for them.
We finally have viable Tuning solution and people are complaining about price, is it expensive yes but how can people compare price to cars such as civic, sti, m3, etc these cars built by 10 of thousands per yr vs a little over 10 thousands cars built in 7yrs. And of those 10 thousands F how many will actually get this upgrade?
Even if it were between $1500 and $2000 you would still have people complaining about price. Of course you can sell tune for few hundred dollars when sell them by thousand per year, year after year which will never happen for IS-F.
What matters to me is reliability, and this sounds very good so far. What intrigues me the most about this system is the increase in midrange power, better throttle response, faster shifting, increase rpm, and additional Hp. Those first 4 area's are exactly what F needed in my opinion. Can't wait to see additional info on this tune and if everything works well I'll probably get this tune.
We finally have viable Tuning solution and people are complaining about price, is it expensive yes but how can people compare price to cars such as civic, sti, m3, etc these cars built by 10 of thousands per yr vs a little over 10 thousands cars built in 7yrs. And of those 10 thousands F how many will actually get this upgrade?
Even if it were between $1500 and $2000 you would still have people complaining about price. Of course you can sell tune for few hundred dollars when sell them by thousand per year, year after year which will never happen for IS-F.
What matters to me is reliability, and this sounds very good so far. What intrigues me the most about this system is the increase in midrange power, better throttle response, faster shifting, increase rpm, and additional Hp. Those first 4 area's are exactly what F needed in my opinion. Can't wait to see additional info on this tune and if everything works well I'll probably get this tune.
05-20-14, 10:28 PM
#205
Is the bottom end and valvetrain good for the new rpm limit? There are too few details surrounding this tune to give me the comfy feeling. It would be nice if you could get a SARD engineer to sign up so we could ask him/her questions directly. How much is the car leaned out? How much total ignition advance is added? Engine and transmission durability questions would certainly be on the table for us header/exhaust guys if the tune actually is good for another 40hp. The raised rpm limit is the real area of question for me. Rpms kill engines much faster than power will.
05-21-14, 08:02 AM
#206
We finally have viable Tuning solution and people are complaining about price, is it expensive yes but how can people compare price to cars such as civic, sti, m3, etc these cars built by 10 of thousands per yr vs a little over 10 thousands cars built in 7yrs. And of those 10 thousands F how many will actually get this upgrade?
Even if it were between $1500 and $2000 you would still have people complaining about price. Of course you can sell tune for few hundred dollars when sell them by thousand per year, year after year which will never happen for IS-F.
What matters to me is reliability, and this sounds very good so far. What intrigues me the most about this system is the increase in midrange power, better throttle response, faster shifting, increase rpm, and additional Hp. Those first 4 area's are exactly what F needed in my opinion. Can't wait to see additional info on this tune and if everything works well I'll probably get this tune.
Even if it were between $1500 and $2000 you would still have people complaining about price. Of course you can sell tune for few hundred dollars when sell them by thousand per year, year after year which will never happen for IS-F.
What matters to me is reliability, and this sounds very good so far. What intrigues me the most about this system is the increase in midrange power, better throttle response, faster shifting, increase rpm, and additional Hp. Those first 4 area's are exactly what F needed in my opinion. Can't wait to see additional info on this tune and if everything works well I'll probably get this tune.
What happened to people understanding you have to "pay to play" in life..
Is the bottom end and valvetrain good for the new rpm limit? There are too few details surrounding this tune to give me the comfy feeling. It would be nice if you could get a SARD engineer to sign up so we could ask him/her questions directly. How much is the car leaned out? How much total ignition advance is added? Engine and transmission durability questions would certainly be on the table for us header/exhaust guys if the tune actually is good for another 40hp. The raised rpm limit is the real area of question for me. Rpms kill engines much faster than power will.
I think its pretty well documented this power train can handle +100whp with ease. The increased RPM is an area of concern but this is SARD of Japan. Come on guys, they are world class and this is finally a REAL tuning option!
Thank you, Nigel for offering this amazing opportunity to the community. I hope you are not discouraged by the initial forum concern and push back.
05-21-14, 08:43 AM
#207
Again, my main point of concern is the increased rpms. I want data that there is no concern with valve float or oil starvation at the raised rpm limit. Oil pumps are pumps after all and they have efficient islands the same as any other pump. Also, what is the tq rating of our transmission?
Edit: And no one is here discouraging anything. We all want a tune as much as the next guy. However, these are legitimate questions that people want to know before they drop thousands on a product that *potentially* has the ability to destroy the motor and or transmission of their $60k+ dollar vehicle. These responses are par for the course in the automotive world.
Edit: And no one is here discouraging anything. We all want a tune as much as the next guy. However, these are legitimate questions that people want to know before they drop thousands on a product that *potentially* has the ability to destroy the motor and or transmission of their $60k+ dollar vehicle. These responses are par for the course in the automotive world.
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05-21-14, 01:28 PM
#208
Lexus Fanatic
price is too high. Gains unproven . will void warranty. BUT SOUNDS LIKE FUN.
Im all about simple mods like rear sway bar , Michelin PSS, and reliable fun with no droning , CEL lights, or other issues . Guess Im getting too old. What I have learned over the last 20 years of tuning is if you want a faster car, save your money and go buy one. Just my 2 cents
Im all about simple mods like rear sway bar , Michelin PSS, and reliable fun with no droning , CEL lights, or other issues . Guess Im getting too old. What I have learned over the last 20 years of tuning is if you want a faster car, save your money and go buy one. Just my 2 cents
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05-21-14, 03:21 PM
#209
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price is too high. Gains unproven . will void warranty. BUT SOUNDS LIKE FUN.
Im all about simple mods like rear sway bar , Michelin PSS, and reliable fun with no droning , CEL lights, or other issues . Guess Im getting too old. What I have learned over the last 20 years of tuning is if you want a faster car, save your money and go buy one. Just my 2 cents
Im all about simple mods like rear sway bar , Michelin PSS, and reliable fun with no droning , CEL lights, or other issues . Guess Im getting too old. What I have learned over the last 20 years of tuning is if you want a faster car, save your money and go buy one. Just my 2 cents
05-21-14, 09:41 PM
#210
Again, my main point of concern is the increased rpms. I want data that there is no concern with valve float or oil starvation at the raised rpm limit. Oil pumps are pumps after all and they have efficient islands the same as any other pump. Also, what is the tq rating of our transmission?
Edit: And no one is here discouraging anything. We all want a tune as much as the next guy. However, these are legitimate questions that people want to know before they drop thousands on a product that *potentially* has the ability to destroy the motor and or transmission of their $60k+ dollar vehicle. These responses are par for the course in the automotive world.
Edit: And no one is here discouraging anything. We all want a tune as much as the next guy. However, these are legitimate questions that people want to know before they drop thousands on a product that *potentially* has the ability to destroy the motor and or transmission of their $60k+ dollar vehicle. These responses are par for the course in the automotive world.
SARD Racing is a racing team for Lexus Japan and Toyota Japan.
There is special edition Mark X in Japan with 6 speed manual transmission for sell under Toyota Japan dealership. The 6 speed transmission kit and ecu tune are all provided by SARD.
If SARD is not capable of doing things like that, Toyota will not sell a car like that in Japan.
Also, the ECU tune have been out for years in Japan, IS250, 350, ISF, and other Toyota cars.
Like I said SARD ECU tuning are going from super conservative (Lexus or Toyota OEM) to conservative (SARD)
SARD is a very old school company and they worry about the reliability issue as much as all of us.