USDM ISF ECU TUNE - FINAL STAGE! 2008-2013 Owner needed!
05-15-14, 11:18 AM
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05-15-14, 11:22 AM
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Guys,
If you are thinking it is $300 or $500 or $1000 for the ECU reflash from a professional Lexus and Toyota Race Team in Japan, you are not being realistic.
ALL the Japanese tuner in Japan are using the device provided by SARD Racing Japan.
Ultimately, all the tuners are using the mapping from SARD Racing Japan, then they can work on the personal tune to get a more suitable result for that specific car.
Price range for all Japanese tuner are 200,000 YEN to 350,000 YEN. (JDM IS F)
This is NOT VW/Audi/Nissan/Honda, you are comparing apple to orange.
No one can do the ECU reflash on Toyota / Lexus after all these years.
A exhaust + mid-pipe = $1500-$2500 and 15-25 hp
Header = $1500-$3500 and 15-35 hp
The header or exhaust do not have anything added to your car beside the pure HP/TQ increase.
Let's do a math,
You paid (MIN.) $3000 to $6000 (MAX.) + installation $$. + Shipping $$ (if you cannot pickup locally)
You get (MIN.) 30hp - 60hp (MAX.)
Other than that you get no other improvement.
A ECU tuning offer not only 30-50+ power and tq increase (Stock around 30, modded around 40-50)
Here is a list of what will be improved with the ECU tune, and I/H/E will never offer such thing.
*People who pmed me already have the price.*
Reasonable or not, I will leave it to you guys.
Our price included all the shipping charges from U.S. to J.P and J.P. to U.S.
- fuel injection timing
- ignition timing
- Throttle control
- Throttle response
- Rewrite the transmission program to increase the accelerator response and linear
- Faster shifting time
- Increase midrange accelerate speed and response
- 7-12% increase in HP.
- Cancel the speed limiter
A speed limiter cancel device will cost 150,000 YEN in Japan.
The device will only cancel the speed limiter and it already cost 150,000 YEN.
For all ISX50 guys, I am sorry to tell you each model will need a specific tune and adjustment.
Even though the IS, GS or some other cars are using the same 3.5 engine, it is not the same.
Some ISF owner are saying the price is out of their budget, too expensive etc etc.
I don't think there will be a next car for the USDM ECU tune by SARD.
If you are thinking it is $300 or $500 or $1000 for the ECU reflash from a professional Lexus and Toyota Race Team in Japan, you are not being realistic.
ALL the Japanese tuner in Japan are using the device provided by SARD Racing Japan.
Ultimately, all the tuners are using the mapping from SARD Racing Japan, then they can work on the personal tune to get a more suitable result for that specific car.
Price range for all Japanese tuner are 200,000 YEN to 350,000 YEN. (JDM IS F)
This is NOT VW/Audi/Nissan/Honda, you are comparing apple to orange.
No one can do the ECU reflash on Toyota / Lexus after all these years.
A exhaust + mid-pipe = $1500-$2500 and 15-25 hp
Header = $1500-$3500 and 15-35 hp
The header or exhaust do not have anything added to your car beside the pure HP/TQ increase.
Let's do a math,
You paid (MIN.) $3000 to $6000 (MAX.) + installation $$. + Shipping $$ (if you cannot pickup locally)
You get (MIN.) 30hp - 60hp (MAX.)
Other than that you get no other improvement.
A ECU tuning offer not only 30-50+ power and tq increase (Stock around 30, modded around 40-50)
Here is a list of what will be improved with the ECU tune, and I/H/E will never offer such thing.
*People who pmed me already have the price.*
Reasonable or not, I will leave it to you guys.
Our price included all the shipping charges from U.S. to J.P and J.P. to U.S.
- fuel injection timing
- ignition timing
- Throttle control
- Throttle response
- Rewrite the transmission program to increase the accelerator response and linear
- Faster shifting time
- Increase midrange accelerate speed and response
- 7-12% increase in HP.
- Cancel the speed limiter
A speed limiter cancel device will cost 150,000 YEN in Japan.
The device will only cancel the speed limiter and it already cost 150,000 YEN.
For all ISX50 guys, I am sorry to tell you each model will need a specific tune and adjustment.
Even though the IS, GS or some other cars are using the same 3.5 engine, it is not the same.
Some ISF owner are saying the price is out of their budget, too expensive etc etc.
I don't think there will be a next car for the USDM ECU tune by SARD.
Last edited by Nigel-JDMParts; 05-15-14 at 11:44 AM.
05-15-14, 11:22 AM
#126
there are far more 350 engines out there than F engines, price per unit would be a lot less just because sheer economies of scale. Instead of trying to recover costs through the few ISFs out there (less than 12000). They would have a huge opportunity to be able to do 06-14 IS350s, and 07-14 GS350s
05-15-14, 11:24 AM
#127
That's why we are focusing on the ISF only.
If you want a 6 speed manual, then you are only with the 350.
The 6 speed manual IS350 will change the whole car to a totally different feeling.
From Lexus to a Honda Type R feel with the 6 speed manual gear box + ecu tuning.
05-15-14, 11:26 AM
#128
there are far more 350 engines out there than F engines, price per unit would be a lot less just because sheer economies of scale. Instead of trying to recover costs through the few ISFs out there (less than 12000). They would have a huge opportunity to be able to do 06-14 IS350s, and 07-14 GS350s
14+ IS350 is another car.
07-12 GS350 will probably have 4 - 6 different ECU.
13+ GS350 is another car
This is not 1 + 1 = 2.
If it is that easy, someone already crack Toyota/Lexus ECU 10 or 20 years ago.
05-15-14, 11:29 AM
#129
IS350 owners don't know what they are talking about..Economies of scale doesn't apply when other variables restrict the obtainable market, which in the end is very little. Either pay more and get an IS-F with more potential for way more power or don't and stick to your 300hp car..
05-15-14, 11:34 AM
#130
I dont think that price is that bad, considering youll now be on par with an RCF engine's power and torque. Not to mention all the software tweaks for better response. Could buy an 08 ISF for $32k and put the flash, I/H/E, aftermarket LSD, someones 2011+ suspension or aftermarket and it would be ridiculous and still cheaper than a 2011
05-15-14, 11:35 AM
#131
Two questions.
1. Can they remove/turn off the rear catalyst inefficiency codes, from the ecu? Would be nice to not need a separate fix for those of us with headers.
2. Is buying a spare ecu and have the dealer flash our correct immobilizer data on it a possibility? Seems having a spare ecu would be ideal.
1. Can they remove/turn off the rear catalyst inefficiency codes, from the ecu? Would be nice to not need a separate fix for those of us with headers.
2. Is buying a spare ecu and have the dealer flash our correct immobilizer data on it a possibility? Seems having a spare ecu would be ideal.
2. Not sure if the dealer are willing to do a spare edu for your car, and i don't think it is ideal
The SARD ECU will work and it doesn't need a retune.
All tunes will put more stress on the engine on minor mods.. stock tune is very conservative for safety purposes.. for major mods like FI a tune is more of an adjustment so the proper A/F is carried throughout the RPM's.
I am pretty sure this tune is conservative as well since it does not apply to any individual header/intake/exhaust combination.. its a generic tune and opens up gaps on the stock tune.
Come on guys be logical lol.
I am pretty sure this tune is conservative as well since it does not apply to any individual header/intake/exhaust combination.. its a generic tune and opens up gaps on the stock tune.
Come on guys be logical lol.
From SUPER conservative (Lexus)
To conservative (SARD)
Check your ECU part number.
You need to pay
1. Reflash your ECU.
2. Pay the team from SARD to go to the states.
3. Tuning fee $1000 per day.
You are looking at a few thousand for personal tune.
In Japan, with IHE it is 40-50 or even more power after the ecu reflash.
05-15-14, 11:42 AM
#132
IS350 owners don't know what they are talking about..Economies of scale doesn't apply when other variables restrict the obtainable market, which in the end is very little. Either pay more and get an IS-F with more potential for way more power or don't and stick to your 300hp car..
If you only want 6 speed manual, then it will be another story.
Only the IS350 have 6 speed manual option.
05-15-14, 11:53 AM
#134
SARD Racing have a 6 speed manual conversation kit for the IS350.
I drove it and I love it! It reminds me the feeling from my Honda Type R.
SARD Racing is a professional racing Team for Lexus and Toyota.
SARD Racing is supported by Toyota Japan and they are racing for Toyota Japan and Lexus Japan.
SARD probably race their Lexus more than we drive our Lexus. LOL
Last edited by Nigel-JDMParts; 05-15-14 at 11:58 AM.
05-15-14, 12:02 PM
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