OP, you have an 08-09 ISF correct?!? Maybe the '12+ ISFs feel more comparable to the new M3 handling/comfort wise?!?! Ever driven the newer ISF with the suspension upgrades?!

V.

 

Even the E90/92 M3 felt like a better driver's car. The new m3/m4 is way ahead of the F, even the Rc-F. But what else do you expect from the latest that the M-division has to offer? I am patiently waiting for the pre-owned M4s to drop in value. Like many others have stated, remember why you leaned towards Lexus.. I had 100% euros before this (and an infiniti). *knock on wood*, I am barely visiting the shop for random problems.

Then, there's the new C63..

 

Like I said before, I've had a few BMWs both had problems with very low mileage. One of them was constantly at the dealer. Not one of them had ever been abused, or tracked. The ISF is tracked and gives me no issues. Besides all this, I will consider the M3 when the price does come down. I guess I have to learn my lesson again.

 

^^ This is what I mean.....why cant these idiots at BMW get it together...........or Lexus for that matter. What we want are great sports cars that dont break. BMW can make them fun but they break. Lexus can make them less fun but they never break. Why cant these idiots meet in the middle?? Why does there always have to be a compromise?? Lexus needs to bring it or BMW needs to whip their engineers a little harder. Take them off the test track and put them in a lab monitoring durability

 

Would the current generation of muscle cars, be considered the 'middle'. I hate that I like the M, and will always be a fan-boy. But its a love-hate. I love driving it, but i hate paying for it.

My indy shop tech, always said that the M's AMG's have lower tolerances with increased wear - squeezing out performance. I wonder if he just wanted to make me feel better for cutting him a check every year.

 

Exactly...

 

I haven't driven a new m3/4 to see how it compares to a '11MY isf. I'm sure I'll like it's performance perhaps even more than my Fs, but no way I'll be able to tolerate the god awful sound it makes.

Just this weekend I went in a cruise with cars ranging from exotics to stanced hondas. There was an m4 with an after market loud exhaust that sounded pretty bad. It didn't help that the owner revved it every minute of the cruise. The ones that seemed stock sounded just as bad just at a lowered volume.

People were actually complementing the guy for his exhaust. Then I heard the same people ripping the guy apart because of how bad it sounded. Even though the guy acted like an a hole, I still think that was a pretty messed up thing to do.

 

Ive driven both RC-F and M4. Not much in it on the road. Yes the M4 pulls harder but it also has traction issues, very scary in the wet. I had it in mostly dry conditions but it still had problems putting all the power down on UK roads. In fact, the M4 is almost too tail happy. The RC-F is pretty well balanced, especially with the TVD.

RC-F, for all its worth is a better road car. Less firm, better looks, interior quality is better and unlike the BMW, you have a nice soundtrack. Cheaper here in the UK too spec for spec

 

No surprises here, since it is widely considered as an improvement over the e90/92. I think it's fine that it's tail happy, either keep TC on or have some fun modulating the throttle, no biggie.

I like your sense of humor.

 

BMW always seems to be ahead..But what a lot of us notice is that BMW brings them to market
too fast, without enough testing..So then they have a lot of bugs...

Toyota and Lexus , in my opinion, does more testing and will not bring them to market until they
are tried and proven...thus, more reliable....

Haste makes waste just to try to be the new kid on the block every year...

Waste of money on repairs just to have a little status.. Not good business sense at all...

Cheerio,

Z

 

Its not that simple, the M4 is uncontrollable on tight streets. Sometimes you hit it too hard and it snaps! Its a PITA on the road, RC-F is more relaxing in the streets and fun when you want it to be. Its a true Jekyll and Hyde car

 

Not true that an M car is uncontrollable, in my experience the throttle is much easier to modulate than in the ISF. For example, if the throttle play in the ISF is 4", probably the first 2.5" cover 90% of the throttle response (that's why I always found the LTC units useless). In an M car, all 4" are usable in a linear rate, so basically you'd feel the M car sluggish if you drive it like you drive an ISF. Now, hit the gas hard and those turbos will teach you a lesson.

 

Ehhhh... Ive driven all M series. I'm sill not sold. Imo.

 

Slightly off topic but I heard an M4 today walking to work and it actually sounded good. The M cars are really nice but reliability is complete crap... which make them unappealing.

 

Hey Daniel since you race the Isf on the tracks , I can bet you really enjoyed the M3/4 as it's a pure drivers car for the track.

Yes ppl will say reliability and Maintnance but it seems every few years there comes a car with an edge and you get that feeling to go for it and trade your 4-8 year old car . At that point it doesn't matter about Maintnance or reliability as it'll be the next owner that will have to deal with it.

How's the sound of that inline 6 though ? From the outside it doesn't sound that great compared to the outgoing m3