Thoughts on how the IS-F will hold it's value over the next few years?
03-22-17, 08:08 AM
#61
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I know quite a bit about Honda engine development. Honda engineers determined the ultimate engine red line was at 24k rpm because the engines couldn't breathe at any speed above that. Their legendary (and ground breaking) engines were all in motorcycles - like the NR 750 with its oval pistons and two rods per cylinder or the NS500 triple that took Freddie Spencer to world F1 championships. Winning awards like "International Engine of the Year" is like being in the upper right quadrant of a Gartner chart. Very little objective, plenty of subjective. Nissan VQ engines won the same awards, but nothing out of Japan has accomplished what the 2JZ-GTE has in terms of ultimate horsepower, variety of applications, and absurd reliability in stock form.
I built motorcycle engines for road racing and mini-sprints for a time. I am extremely familiar with Honda and how they do what they do.
I built motorcycle engines for road racing and mini-sprints for a time. I am extremely familiar with Honda and how they do what they do.
Also, mention me another stock engine with high compression (4 cylinder NA) like the F20c that can handle 800whp (stock engine)? Trans and differential might be weak but the engine is super strong and reliable just like the 2JZ-GTE.
The only reason the s2k hasn't gone up in price yet is because Honda made too many, if they had only done less than 15,000 units, they would be in the 30k range like the integra Type R, if not more.....Give it time, a lot of young people are wrecking them, it will take time until the s2k goes up in price, right now its heading that direction but still not there.
03-22-17, 07:18 PM
#63
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Interesting read. I just joined this forum as I'm considering an IS-F. I currently have a 94 Supra original 6spd that I just put for sale. I was thinking of a 11+ IS-F to replace it and was hoping they'd hold some value and perhaps not drop below $20,000 for a clean under 100k mile Car. One thing that helps values in my opinion is the constant appreciation in price of new cars. In 5 years a new 2022 IS-F (if they were to release another) would probably be over $80k. So $25k would seem reasonable to me to still fetch for a 2001 IS-F with 100k miles. My 2 cents which is probably only worth 1c 
03-22-17, 07:51 PM
#64
Originally posted by lobuxracer:
"I know quite a bit about Honda engine development. ... Their legendary (and ground breaking) engines were all in motorcycles - ..."
Uhhhh, what about a what couple of guys named Senna & Prost did using Honda powerplants in the 1980's?
"I know quite a bit about Honda engine development. ... Their legendary (and ground breaking) engines were all in motorcycles - ..."
Uhhhh, what about a what couple of guys named Senna & Prost did using Honda powerplants in the 1980's?
03-22-17, 08:31 PM
#65
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03-22-17, 11:21 PM
#67
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It's really hard to get excited about any car engine's specific output when a 2015 Yamaha R1 makes 167 rwhp out of 998cc straight off the showroom floor. Specific output on car engines really doesn't hold much in my book. And, yes, that's NA and no, it hasn't been optimized by doing all the fun stuff I've been paid to do to make sure all the available design power is present. If we want to measure against specific output, why not measure against the NA F1 car engines with 20k rpm redlines? Those engines produced ridiculous specific output numbers.
We can clearly agree to disagree.
We can clearly agree to disagree.
03-22-17, 11:35 PM
#68
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f20c like already mentioned before, 9k and 120hp per liter, Honda warranty and super reliable, that by it self is legendary. You can argue the K20 might be better, but since it's fwd it doesn't have the same desirability like the s2000. Plus, s2k came out in 1999, no K20 was around that time.
Also, mention me another stock engine with high compression (4 cylinder NA) like the F20c that can handle 800whp (stock engine)? Trans and differential might be weak but the engine is super strong and reliable just like the 2JZ-GTE.
The only reason the s2k hasn't gone up in price yet is because Honda made too many, if they had only done less than 15,000 units, they would be in the 30k range like the integra Type R, if not more.....Give it time, a lot of young people are wrecking them, it will take time until the s2k goes up in price, right now its heading that direction but still not there.
Also, mention me another stock engine with high compression (4 cylinder NA) like the F20c that can handle 800whp (stock engine)? Trans and differential might be weak but the engine is super strong and reliable just like the 2JZ-GTE.
The only reason the s2k hasn't gone up in price yet is because Honda made too many, if they had only done less than 15,000 units, they would be in the 30k range like the integra Type R, if not more.....Give it time, a lot of young people are wrecking them, it will take time until the s2k goes up in price, right now its heading that direction but still not there.
120hp per liter, lightweight car and still slow.
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03-23-17, 08:32 AM
#71
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03-23-17, 01:04 PM
#74
I don't doubt this but I also suspect your observations may have a lot to do with the driver than the car. I am sure mods do wonders for the S2K but if you look at )ct 2015 C&D lightening lap, a stock 2008 S2K is 10+ seconds slower than the ISF as well as a lot of the cars mentioned above.