What do ISF owners think of RCF?
09-18-17, 08:52 PM
#76
But that S85 V10 motor has to be in the top 5 (non super car) sounding engines of all time. It's a thing of beauty above 5000rpms right as it starts screaming.
My dream is to swap the S85 into an E92 some day. Maybe my mid life crisis project.
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09-18-17, 09:08 PM
#77
I haven't spent one minute on a forum for something I don't own, plan to own, nor have a desire to own... very odd, but again, its very common specifically on the IS-F forum.
09-18-17, 09:27 PM
#79
Maybe I should rephrase..... I have LOOKED at a forum prior to owning the vehicle, to do research, look at pictures, etc, but never spent time making post after post, or replying and arguing with the members, or even signing up to post....
...you know what i meant
09-18-17, 10:32 PM
#80
!Super rediculious!
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09-18-17, 10:49 PM
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I complain mostly about cars I own, and occasionally about the direction manufacturers have chosen. But you'll never find me making comments on another board about something I don't own.
09-18-17, 11:51 PM
#82
Interesting read. Just read this thread from start to finish.
I'd actually considered the idea of moving to an RC F given prices are starting to come down here in the U.K. as well.
Thing is the IS F doesn't have the same strong resale value over here. Mine might get around £20k with all the mods I've added (probably cost me that amount or more!), but RC F starts around £35k.
Now with that extra £15k, I can do a lot to my IS F. We're talking RR-Racing supercharger kit, better LSD, set of Penske coilovers...... the result of which will be an absolute beast!
Yes it's still going to be a 9yr old car, yes it's still got a cheap feeling interior (still thinking about flocking the dash to see if that helps), but it's lighter, and looks better IMHO.
If I ever buy a GTR, it would be the R32 version. Same reasoning as it was the lightest and made the same power as the 33 and 34, but they were tuned to compensate for the extra weight to do so.
Cars generally are getting heavier when they should be doing the opposite. If you want toys, buy a luxury barge to glide around in. If you want a sports car, you don't need all these toys or driver aids! Less is most definitely more.
I'm sure the RC F can be improved, but I've already done lots of work on my IS F, and hitting the reset button plus borrowing another £10-15k to get one doesn't appeal to me.
I'd actually considered the idea of moving to an RC F given prices are starting to come down here in the U.K. as well.
Thing is the IS F doesn't have the same strong resale value over here. Mine might get around £20k with all the mods I've added (probably cost me that amount or more!), but RC F starts around £35k.
Now with that extra £15k, I can do a lot to my IS F. We're talking RR-Racing supercharger kit, better LSD, set of Penske coilovers...... the result of which will be an absolute beast!
Yes it's still going to be a 9yr old car, yes it's still got a cheap feeling interior (still thinking about flocking the dash to see if that helps), but it's lighter, and looks better IMHO.
If I ever buy a GTR, it would be the R32 version. Same reasoning as it was the lightest and made the same power as the 33 and 34, but they were tuned to compensate for the extra weight to do so.
Cars generally are getting heavier when they should be doing the opposite. If you want toys, buy a luxury barge to glide around in. If you want a sports car, you don't need all these toys or driver aids! Less is most definitely more.
I'm sure the RC F can be improved, but I've already done lots of work on my IS F, and hitting the reset button plus borrowing another £10-15k to get one doesn't appeal to me.
09-19-17, 09:24 AM
#83
Interesting read. Just read this thread from start to finish.
I'd actually considered the idea of moving to an RC F given prices are starting to come down here in the U.K. as well.
Thing is the IS F doesn't have the same strong resale value over here. Mine might get around £20k with all the mods I've added (probably cost me that amount or more!), but RC F starts around £35k.
Now with that extra £15k, I can do a lot to my IS F. We're talking RR-Racing supercharger kit, better LSD, set of Penske coilovers...... the result of which will be an absolute beast!
Yes it's still going to be a 9yr old car, yes it's still got a cheap feeling interior (still thinking about flocking the dash to see if that helps), but it's lighter, and looks better IMHO.
If I ever buy a GTR, it would be the R32 version. Same reasoning as it was the lightest and made the same power as the 33 and 34, but they were tuned to compensate for the extra weight to do so.
Cars generally are getting heavier when they should be doing the opposite. If you want toys, buy a luxury barge to glide around in. If you want a sports car, you don't need all these toys or driver aids! Less is most definitely more.
I'm sure the RC F can be improved, but I've already done lots of work on my IS F, and hitting the reset button plus borrowing another £10-15k to get one doesn't appeal to me.
I'd actually considered the idea of moving to an RC F given prices are starting to come down here in the U.K. as well.
Thing is the IS F doesn't have the same strong resale value over here. Mine might get around £20k with all the mods I've added (probably cost me that amount or more!), but RC F starts around £35k.
Now with that extra £15k, I can do a lot to my IS F. We're talking RR-Racing supercharger kit, better LSD, set of Penske coilovers...... the result of which will be an absolute beast!
Yes it's still going to be a 9yr old car, yes it's still got a cheap feeling interior (still thinking about flocking the dash to see if that helps), but it's lighter, and looks better IMHO.
If I ever buy a GTR, it would be the R32 version. Same reasoning as it was the lightest and made the same power as the 33 and 34, but they were tuned to compensate for the extra weight to do so.
Cars generally are getting heavier when they should be doing the opposite. If you want toys, buy a luxury barge to glide around in. If you want a sports car, you don't need all these toys or driver aids! Less is most definitely more.
I'm sure the RC F can be improved, but I've already done lots of work on my IS F, and hitting the reset button plus borrowing another £10-15k to get one doesn't appeal to me.
09-19-17, 12:06 PM
#84
I've seen RC-Fs around town and I think they look great (I think the black or white colors are my choices). I like these cars for what they are. Great, comfortable, and reliable GT cars that you can have fun with on a back-road going 6/10ths.
I'll be honest, I would not mind owning one just to get the latest tech, those great looking seats, the HP bump, and the styling. If I wanted something to match the performance of an M4 or M2...I'd just get an M4 or M2...no?
I'll be honest, I would not mind owning one just to get the latest tech, those great looking seats, the HP bump, and the styling. If I wanted something to match the performance of an M4 or M2...I'd just get an M4 or M2...no?
09-19-17, 08:58 PM
#86
I like the styling of the RCF it's growing on me. Now in regards to what do ISF owner feel about RCF? I think it comes down to EXPECTATIONS. What do I mean by that? Well as an ISF owner and probably most ISF owner's we're looking forward to the RCF. We finally thought that Lexus would address 3 or 4 things of those areas that we as owner, vloggers, print media, youtuber etc, all thought would be addressed in this new F model car. And I'm not talking about the exterior of the car or the interior of the car what I'm talking about is Real Performance related issues tangible issues such as the #1 in the room the weight!
WEIGHT, When the ISF came out it was heavier than its Two Chief Rivals the M3 and the C63. Weight by far is the biggest enemy to anything that has sport in its name and additional weight did hurt the ISF performance initially in the beginning as well as not having a properly sorted out suspension. So we all thought that this would be address since it was so widely spoken about in the internet, print media, etc this was by far one of the biggest issues that most people spoke about. But instead of getting a lighter vehicle we got a heavier car in than ISF ? Let down #1.
POWER, with the RCF coming out right in the middle of the current power Wars in order for Lexus to stay competitive they would have to really bump the power up with everything being in that 500 horsepower area. In order to stay competitive there would need to be significant increase in power especially with its two Rivals now both being forced induction and everyone knowing new next gen M4 car would be turbo charged. Had RCF been around 3700lb mark with 467 horsepower that would have been adequate but 467hp on 4000lb car with tq still below 400 was not enough. In order for the RCF stay competitive being N/A it would have to be 500hp and low 400tq range to carry that amount of mass. So for many that too was also a no go. Let down #2.
CHASSIS & SUSPENSION the reason why I'm mentioning chassis is because to be honest it's a Frankenstein chassis yes it does work and it does a damn good job but because of this chassis it adds weight. In my opinion I believe Lexus did this in order to save cash. It's much easier to combine three existing chassis then to create and build one from scratch your R&D cost and retooling cost are cut in half or more. Had the RCF been given lightweight carbon fiber chassis or combination of other lightweight materials that would have greatly reduced the weight but at the same time given it strength. The suspension components were not up to par initially with RCF as they were with the first ISF when it first came out as well. Thankfully lexus has corrected that problem on the RCF and now it has adaptive suspension components still not on par with competition with the ability to adjust it to your particular needs but it's a start.
Let down #3
Expectation Lexus touted the RCF Coupe as the one to take it to its German rivals not necessarily to beat them but to truly give them a competitive run unfortunately that wasn't to be. So our expectations of the RCF were not what we all thought and hoped for. And that expectation might be solely put on the shoulders of ISF owners and media in general who were all hoping for one thing but were presented with something totally different. I will give it to Lexus they continue to march to the beat of Their Own Drums and do things their way.
The RCF is a great car there's no doubt in my mind I've driven it more than once I like the way it handles, I like the interior. Lexus built RCF the way they wanted which is executive GT sporty car we on the other hand we're looking for more of our true sports car and and there's a huge difference between a 4000 lb GT car and a 3600 pounds sports car.
And to finish this cuz it's long if you look at the ISF and RCF these two cars are so close in their performance numbers. Whereas the old E90 M cars versus the new f80M cars the performance between those two are night and day the same goes for the C63 therein lies one of the big differences between the Lexus cars and its competitors. The RCF was a evolution not a revolution between it and it's big older brother ISF.
WEIGHT, When the ISF came out it was heavier than its Two Chief Rivals the M3 and the C63. Weight by far is the biggest enemy to anything that has sport in its name and additional weight did hurt the ISF performance initially in the beginning as well as not having a properly sorted out suspension. So we all thought that this would be address since it was so widely spoken about in the internet, print media, etc this was by far one of the biggest issues that most people spoke about. But instead of getting a lighter vehicle we got a heavier car in than ISF ? Let down #1.
POWER, with the RCF coming out right in the middle of the current power Wars in order for Lexus to stay competitive they would have to really bump the power up with everything being in that 500 horsepower area. In order to stay competitive there would need to be significant increase in power especially with its two Rivals now both being forced induction and everyone knowing new next gen M4 car would be turbo charged. Had RCF been around 3700lb mark with 467 horsepower that would have been adequate but 467hp on 4000lb car with tq still below 400 was not enough. In order for the RCF stay competitive being N/A it would have to be 500hp and low 400tq range to carry that amount of mass. So for many that too was also a no go. Let down #2.
CHASSIS & SUSPENSION the reason why I'm mentioning chassis is because to be honest it's a Frankenstein chassis yes it does work and it does a damn good job but because of this chassis it adds weight. In my opinion I believe Lexus did this in order to save cash. It's much easier to combine three existing chassis then to create and build one from scratch your R&D cost and retooling cost are cut in half or more. Had the RCF been given lightweight carbon fiber chassis or combination of other lightweight materials that would have greatly reduced the weight but at the same time given it strength. The suspension components were not up to par initially with RCF as they were with the first ISF when it first came out as well. Thankfully lexus has corrected that problem on the RCF and now it has adaptive suspension components still not on par with competition with the ability to adjust it to your particular needs but it's a start.
Let down #3
Expectation Lexus touted the RCF Coupe as the one to take it to its German rivals not necessarily to beat them but to truly give them a competitive run unfortunately that wasn't to be. So our expectations of the RCF were not what we all thought and hoped for. And that expectation might be solely put on the shoulders of ISF owners and media in general who were all hoping for one thing but were presented with something totally different. I will give it to Lexus they continue to march to the beat of Their Own Drums and do things their way.
The RCF is a great car there's no doubt in my mind I've driven it more than once I like the way it handles, I like the interior. Lexus built RCF the way they wanted which is executive GT sporty car we on the other hand we're looking for more of our true sports car and and there's a huge difference between a 4000 lb GT car and a 3600 pounds sports car.
And to finish this cuz it's long if you look at the ISF and RCF these two cars are so close in their performance numbers. Whereas the old E90 M cars versus the new f80M cars the performance between those two are night and day the same goes for the C63 therein lies one of the big differences between the Lexus cars and its competitors. The RCF was a evolution not a revolution between it and it's big older brother ISF.
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09-20-17, 08:36 AM
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I think that out of the box the ISF handles better due to the rear coilovers vs. divorced springs setup in the RCF, as well as the extra weight.
That said, the interior in the RCF is a big step up from the ISF. I have spent a lot of time in both cars and the RCF is such a great GT cruiser, it really fills that role well.
and having said that... we are comparing apples and oranges, because ISF is a 4 door sedan, so if need that practicality, then an RCF is not for you anyway.
The biggest selling point for the RCF right now is that it is a fast, dependable car, and it is a much better value than its competitors... I see low mileage examples in the mid-40's, which is a real bargain for the quality and features. RCF is a keeper kind of car, unlike the c63 and M4, which I wouldn't touch once the factory warranty runs out.
BTW, here is a great comparo of the RCF vs. M4 -- with all the performance advantages of the M4, in the end the track times were within 0.3sec of each other!
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexus...-f-comparison/
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That said, the interior in the RCF is a big step up from the ISF. I have spent a lot of time in both cars and the RCF is such a great GT cruiser, it really fills that role well.
and having said that... we are comparing apples and oranges, because ISF is a 4 door sedan, so if need that practicality, then an RCF is not for you anyway.
The biggest selling point for the RCF right now is that it is a fast, dependable car, and it is a much better value than its competitors... I see low mileage examples in the mid-40's, which is a real bargain for the quality and features. RCF is a keeper kind of car, unlike the c63 and M4, which I wouldn't touch once the factory warranty runs out.
BTW, here is a great comparo of the RCF vs. M4 -- with all the performance advantages of the M4, in the end the track times were within 0.3sec of each other!
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexus...-f-comparison/
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