2014 ISF for sale near me. Is this too much?
01-18-18, 07:46 PM
#31
This thread is now getting silly. Math, come on! The car in question is a 2014 Lexus ISF, 86 of the darn things were sold in the US. Eighty Six for gosh sakes. The thing is rare. And, how many of them haven't been beaten to death? Do you want this one or not? If not, move on. Some one else does. Doesn't matter about the electronics. Still, in todays world, it's still a damn good automobile and looks pretty good too. Do I want it, no. At the present time I've got too much history with my '08 to let it go. But, believe me. someone else does.
The OP has decided against it. His choice. Why are the rest of us still bickering? Let it go for gosh sakes.
Math and calculated resale value has absolutely nothing to do with this car. Unlike your Honda Accord, this ISF is something SPECIAL!
Lou
The OP has decided against it. His choice. Why are the rest of us still bickering? Let it go for gosh sakes.
Math and calculated resale value has absolutely nothing to do with this car. Unlike your Honda Accord, this ISF is something SPECIAL!
Lou
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01-18-18, 08:22 PM
#32
Agreed...... i broke it down to math because the just saying the car is special will spark more commentary, since thats subjective, and we cant argue with simple math. Fact is, its worth more because ALL cars that are 2014 versions of their 2008 counterparts are worth more, and the ratios are the same, be it accord, or ISF. Even with removing the rarity factor, the car should still be worth high 40s, based on what earlier models sell for. Plain and simple.
01-18-18, 08:30 PM
#33
Agreed...... i broke it down to math because the just saying the car is special will spark more commentary, since thats subjective, and we cant argue with simple math. Fact is, its worth more because ALL cars that are 2014 versions of their 2008 counterparts are worth more, and the ratios are the same, be it accord, or ISF. Even with removing the rarity factor, the car should still be worth high 40s, based on what earlier models sell for. Plain and simple.
We'll see though, got a lot of time and money invested in my '12....not wanting to sell the '12....so justifying 2 F's is kinda hard😔.
But no if, ands, or buts about it, a '14 is worth a decent amount more than an '12 with same mileage, same condition, even if they are the same body style, same performance, etc. This car is priced fairly, but as OP has stated he's passed on it, so oh well. His loss IMO.
V.
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01-18-18, 10:08 PM
#34
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There's nothing in a '14 that would compel me to sell my '08 to buy it. There are a few things missing that I would be unhappy about like the horizontally fixed headlights, and the brake override. The LED parking lamps do nothing for me. The Alcantara does nothing for me (rode in an IS F with those seats from California to Texas), they're not bad, I just do not prefer them over the '08 leather. Just like the Supras got cheaped out over the run of model years, so did the IS F. Lots of cost cutting with the interior Alcantara replacing what was leather, loss of headlight function, with the only real improvements being Gen 6 nav and (if you like it) the revised instrument cluster. They also redesigned the ABS/TRAC control unit (they did the exact same thing with the '96 Supra) to make it smaller and less expensive. On the outside, the wheels are a huge improvement, but only because you can safely run much wider tires. Brakes, engine, transmission are unchanged with the exception of the brake vs. throttle override being installed at the factory (I still haven't had the reflash and accelerator pedal mutilation done to mine). Revised suspension is also a step up, and of course the Torsen diff in the '10 MY and later is a big improvement over the open diff and eLSD in the '08 - '09.
All in all, not worth it to me after putting in the OS Giken spool and polyurethane bushings (which EVERY model year needs) in my '08.
JMHO.
All in all, not worth it to me after putting in the OS Giken spool and polyurethane bushings (which EVERY model year needs) in my '08.
JMHO.
01-19-18, 03:50 AM
#35
^^^Agreed. If 2014 had come out with 100hp+ like the Pontiac GTO did vs. the earlier models, and only 86 of those ISFs were made, then I could see paying a significant price premium for one vs a 2012, but for headrests with Fs on them and a carbon fiber spoiler, etc...?
Most people don’t even know what an ISF is and, outside of this site, no one knows what is “special” about a 2014 MY ISF.
Of course, these are just my opinions. For the low $32k mark that I paid for my 2011 two years ago (which was a steal admittedly), I drive around feeling like a king in my ISF, fully confident in knowing that for the money, there is nothing better that I could be driving on the road today. Period. At $50k, I would not have that same feeling at all. Especially when I parked it next to an 08 and realized that it is the same basic car with only minor changes. I could buy two 08s for that price
Most people don’t even know what an ISF is and, outside of this site, no one knows what is “special” about a 2014 MY ISF.
Of course, these are just my opinions. For the low $32k mark that I paid for my 2011 two years ago (which was a steal admittedly), I drive around feeling like a king in my ISF, fully confident in knowing that for the money, there is nothing better that I could be driving on the road today. Period. At $50k, I would not have that same feeling at all. Especially when I parked it next to an 08 and realized that it is the same basic car with only minor changes. I could buy two 08s for that price
01-19-18, 06:34 AM
#36
Most definitely I agree that I would NOT ditch my '12 for a '14 just for the headrest and spoiler (and updated nav)....makes zero sense. But I was saying if I could justify having 2 of the same cars, I would get the '14 for the rarity.
with all that said, there are plenty of members here who ditched their '08-'10 for a '12-'14. Everyone is different ☺️
V.
with all that said, there are plenty of members here who ditched their '08-'10 for a '12-'14. Everyone is different ☺️
V.
01-19-18, 06:38 AM
#37
Forget 2008, this is a 2006 IS x50 car that is supped up (I know I cut it deep) but lets be rational folks. MOST people, even car guys have asked me if I drive a IS350 "F sport" or is it a sports package on the car? For mid 40s I can get an F80 M5 and lets not kid ourselves the F would not be a bang for buck at that price.
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01-19-18, 07:08 AM
#38
Forget 2008, this is a 2006 IS x50 car that is supped up (I know I cut it deep) but lets be rational folks. MOST people, even car guys have asked me if I drive a IS350 "F sport" or is it a sports package on the car? For mid 40s I can get an F80 M5 and lets not kid ourselves the F would not be a bang for buck at that price.
F80 M5? Didn't know those existed. LOL Someone's troll game is weak. Need to pick it up son.
01-19-18, 07:36 AM
#39
LOL my bad I was thinking for the F10 and confused it with the F80 M3. My point still stands. I'm more of a car guy in search for reliable performance cars. But I'm not paying mid 40s for a IS-F, tho I do love beating M3s, S5s and 550i in my 2008 F.
Disclaimer: I am not loyal to any car I have ever owned. Too many good ones to settle for one.
Disclaimer: I am not loyal to any car I have ever owned. Too many good ones to settle for one.
01-19-18, 08:02 AM
#40
LOL my bad I was thinking for the F10 and confused it with the F80 M3. My point still stands. I'm more of a car guy in search for reliable performance cars. But I'm not paying mid 40s for a IS-F, tho I do love beating M3s, S5s and 550i in my 2008 F.
Disclaimer: I am not loyal to any car I have ever owned. Too many good ones to settle for one.
Disclaimer: I am not loyal to any car I have ever owned. Too many good ones to settle for one.
I've always been tempted at going for an M3 or C63 but then I see how expensive they are to maintain and keep running. The new C63 is a beast and would love to get into that car but they are having issues with the turbos suddenly just not working and software issues. I'm not sure I'm ready to deal with those kinds of headaches.
I think for the money the IS-F is the best all around sports car you can buy.
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01-19-18, 08:52 AM
#41
The answer is simple math, and depreciation, really shouldn't be a hard equation to figure out....
Lets break it down a little simpler for you...
Hypothetically of corse.... :-)
Take a 2008 Honda Accord EX-L 4cyl, It has 30,000 miles...... retail value to sell is somewhere in the $10,000-11000.00 range.... +/- 500.00
Then take a 30,000 mile 2012 Accord EXL 4cyl, retail sale value of this car is 14500-15,500.00ish..... approximately 50% more then the nearly identical 2008.... BUT only 4 years newer.... I used 2012, because its the same body style as the 2008 in accord world....however probably more accurate would be using a 2014 Accord (08 ISF vs 4 ISF), 14 has some more features, and granted is a different body style, but go up to a 30k mile 2014 Accord, the retail value jumps to $17-18,000.00, 70-80% more then the 2008 Accord, pretty much the same car right?
So in the case of the ISF 2008 ISF with 30K miles is worth what? $30,000-32,000.00, some would say even more then that... But lets stick with $31,000.00..... then a 2014 ISF with 30k miles, this one for sale for $48,000.00.... thats only 55% more then the 2008 with the same miles, again, car pretty much the same right?....However, we know there are certainly some very sought after features of the 2014 ISF you simply cant get in the 2008, or not with out swapping or adding aftermarket....
With that said..... one could argue this 2014, is actually UNDER priced based on what a 2008 with the same miles would sell for.... based on a run-of-the-mill Honda Accord anology..... Then factor in the fact there are many many less 2014 ISFs produced (limited quantity compared to 2008) that should prove even further that the 2014 ISF is priced fair, and to some even under priced....
Does it make more sense now?
Simple answer to your question... (even though its in regard to a 2012, which by the way, you cant buy a 30k mile clean one owner 2012 ISF for 35k either, going to be a lot closer to 40k)... is because its newer........ Its that simple. Its newer. Cant get much more black and white then that.
Lets break it down a little simpler for you...
Hypothetically of corse.... :-)
Take a 2008 Honda Accord EX-L 4cyl, It has 30,000 miles...... retail value to sell is somewhere in the $10,000-11000.00 range.... +/- 500.00
Then take a 30,000 mile 2012 Accord EXL 4cyl, retail sale value of this car is 14500-15,500.00ish..... approximately 50% more then the nearly identical 2008.... BUT only 4 years newer.... I used 2012, because its the same body style as the 2008 in accord world....however probably more accurate would be using a 2014 Accord (08 ISF vs 4 ISF), 14 has some more features, and granted is a different body style, but go up to a 30k mile 2014 Accord, the retail value jumps to $17-18,000.00, 70-80% more then the 2008 Accord, pretty much the same car right?
So in the case of the ISF 2008 ISF with 30K miles is worth what? $30,000-32,000.00, some would say even more then that... But lets stick with $31,000.00..... then a 2014 ISF with 30k miles, this one for sale for $48,000.00.... thats only 55% more then the 2008 with the same miles, again, car pretty much the same right?....However, we know there are certainly some very sought after features of the 2014 ISF you simply cant get in the 2008, or not with out swapping or adding aftermarket....
With that said..... one could argue this 2014, is actually UNDER priced based on what a 2008 with the same miles would sell for.... based on a run-of-the-mill Honda Accord anology..... Then factor in the fact there are many many less 2014 ISFs produced (limited quantity compared to 2008) that should prove even further that the 2014 ISF is priced fair, and to some even under priced....
Does it make more sense now?
Simple answer to your question... (even though its in regard to a 2012, which by the way, you cant buy a 30k mile clean one owner 2012 ISF for 35k either, going to be a lot closer to 40k)... is because its newer........ Its that simple. Its newer. Cant get much more black and white then that.
01-19-18, 10:27 AM
#42
There's nothing in a '14 that would compel me to sell my '08 to buy it. There are a few things missing that I would be unhappy about like the horizontally fixed headlights, and the brake override. The LED parking lamps do nothing for me. The Alcantara does nothing for me. Alcantara replacing what was leather. The exception of the brake vs. throttle override being installed at the factory (I still haven't had the reflash and accelerator pedal mutilation done to mine).
JMHO.
JMHO.
But, this thread has evolved into something the OP never asked. He was asking about the value of that particular 2014 ISF. Not about features, updates, or comparisons with other MY ISFs. And IMHO, this thread has veered off into something totally not related to the question asked.
Lou
01-19-18, 10:29 AM
#43
That's why I used the honda accord analogy, however it applies to all cars... fact of the matter is, a 6-7 year newer version (be it same body style or not) of ANY car, rare or not, ISF or not, is typically worth a substantial amount more then the older one (all other things being equal, miles, condition etc), this is why the 2014 is $48,000.00, because after 3 years of deprecation from new (@ 67,000.00 MSRP) dictates that its worth about 20,000.00 less then it was new.
Can argue what you can get for 50k all day, can argue that you would or wouldn't pay 48,000.00 for a 2014, that it doesn't have anything worth paying a premium for blah blah blah.... that facts are 48,000.00 is not a premium price, its right inline with where it should be based on other years.... a clean one owner 30k mile (all things equal except year) ISF is worth the following: 2008: $30-32k, 2009: $32-34k, 2010: $33-35K, 2011: $36-39K, 2012: $39-42k, 2013: 42-45k, 2014: $46-48K, with a little bump at 2011+ because they're a little more sought after (and book values reflect that), due to updates, LSD etc...
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02-15-18, 07:58 PM
#44
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12,000 miles is negligible with this car and definitely not worth paying a $6,000 premium. If the cheaper car is in similar condition it's a no brainer.
Here's one with less mileage for the same price.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=ISF
Here's one with less mileage for the same price.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=ISF
02-17-18, 07:56 AM
#45
Easily! Very good price if you ask me! Very few ISF's made in 14, and currently less than 10 for sale in the COUNTRY! Not to mention if he wants a black on black F with low miles.... shopping around will do him little good. Trying to save a few thousand is pointless on a car as clean, rare and reliable as this. Buy it, you won't regret it! And don't negotiate too long....there's ALWAYS someone out there looking for a rare, reliable F like this who's willing to pay the price.....jump on it before they do!
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V.