Greetings all, so I need a new car and ive narrowed my options between a 2008 ISF about 70k miles cause that’s all I can find in my area , and auto 6th gen camaro SS 10k miles, they’re both around the same price range the draw back on the lexus IMO is the limited and pricey mod options obviously I’d go FBO TUNE and then from there it’s basically flex fuel for more gains (avoiding forced induction) , obviously the lexus would run laps in reliability as at the end of my term I’d have roughly close to or at 100k miles if I were to get the camaro and around 130-140k if I were to get the Lexus , another draw back for the isf is speed comparisons between these 2 cars , I’m coming from an IS350 for reference obviously both cars are a step up but the camaro is faster and I feel like unless you’re fully modded out e85 and all you can’t really beat the big dogs lol with the ISF (will be able to keep up ofc but not beat them) while with the camaro I could mod it out to its max (without supercharger) and push 500whp LET ME KNOW THOUGHTS AND IF IM WRONG ETC Let all opinions be heard Thanks for the read and input!

 

ethanol doesn't really add hp to our na motors, also a 'flex fuel' option doesn't really exist beside the RR stage option paired with the supercharger. Most FBO people blend 30% e85 just to increase the octane in the vehicles which helps in some areas where octane above 91 isn't readily available but really that doesn't increase hp just keeps the car happier. i dont know what a lot of peoples expectations are when they get these cars trying to 'beat' modern cars or be faster. unless you pay your bills in underground street racing buy something that has a better platform to make big power easily. but to me the F is faster than a good amount of average cars you'll come across especially FBO but also lots of fun, rare and reliable. My performance model S is faster than my lexus but doesn't mean that it's a better car.

 

ISF all the way for reliability and its rarity, no on American junkyard metal lolz , and dont do any flex fuel for ISF if u dont have SC . its will ruin your gas pump, if not swap.

 

If you're looking for max performance the Camaro will be the way to go. It's <4 years old, much newer tech, and way cheaper performance goodies. Probably even handle and go better compared to an FBO ISF with suspension mods. It's a cheap manufacturer's coupe that prioritized performance over all. That's great, but perhaps limiting in practicality or a sense of quality.

The 13 year old ISF is a rare sleeper sport sedan and is good at everything, but excellent at nothing. It'll be relatively reliable and barely depreciate. Can surprise people and stay under the radar, but no question age will be a factor and limited numbers will have parts be pricey.

Kind of apples and oranges.

 

I’ve had multiple GMs. The ISF interior is a selling point to me. It was designed and much of its parts contracted and sourced prior to the 08 recession. Since then, cars have gotten much cheaper interior parts. The tech in our cars is old. The interiors are built superior to many modern cars in terms of quality. I don’t even like the new Lexus interiors (RX and IS line).

The ISF isn’t going to be as cheap to mod or as fast if you go all out. That said, I don’t lose much to domestic cars that aren’t boosted at the track.

 

Sorry IS-F all the way. Theres only 1 6th gen Camaro that I'd say ok to, and its not the SS.

 

If you have money to waste buy the Camaro. If you value money the ISF.

 

I'd say Camaro, compared to your current car the IS-F would be same same but better. Moving over to a Camaro will be like Aladdin flying on a magic carpet, a whole new worlddddd~~~. Plus you'll be driving an almost brand new car vs a 12 yr old without Apple carplay.

I genuinely believe that if you have to ask between IS-F or something else, then you should just go with something else. IMO this car is made for those who knows exactly what they want

 

May be the truest statement I've read on these boards.

Were it me, the next most fun car to drive to the ISF is the Toyota 86. You can drive it to its potential and not get into trouble like you can with a 500hp car, which is actually a lot more fun on the street.

 

Camaro all day.

Unless........ its going to be a daily driver, then get the IS-F.

 

Yup the 86 is a like a little go cart but...
I had a little stop light action with my brothers 2017 86 and my 2010 HS250H the other day. He took my for the first 30 yards but as soon as he had to change gears I blew past him. It was kind of fun because like Winterturb says above, with less that 200hp you don't really get into any trouble with the 86 or my HS250h . Having an HS250h as a daily drive is great cause it keeps me from wanting more out of my ISF!!!

 

Just wanted to share my isf . Just got it recently tuned on methanol. Runs great every time

 

The Lexus is a high-end level car (BMW, Mercedes, Audi). The Camaro is a value driven Chevy. The Lexus is Toyota reliability and quality. The Chevy is a Chevy. F mods are much more limited though.

The Lexus is not a drag racer, it is a rolling racer. If hard launches and 1/8 mile are your thing, the Camaro. The F's have a very low CD and for that reason are increasingly fast the faster you go. Plus the F is going to be much quieter and more pleasant at higher speeds. The Camaro will be, well, a Camaro.

Lastly, the Camaro is a bigger car with smaller windows. It's going to feel bigger for that reason. Both are V8's. The 2UR-GSE engine, SPDS 8-speed, smaller chassis, and overall engineering effort put into this car make it the most enjoyable V8 car I have ever owned.

From Wikipedia:

The Lexus IS F features a 4,969 cc (5.0 L; 303.2 cu in) direct-injected 2UR-GSE V8 producing SAE 310 kW (416 bhp; 421 PS) at 6600 rpm, while peak torque is 371 lb⋅ft (503 N⋅m) at 5200 rpm.[46] The engine redlines at 6800 rpm and also features a two-stage intake system, engine oil and automatic transmission fluid coolers and an oil pump designed for high-speed cornering. Along with both port and direct injection, the engine features VVT-iE camshaft timing, and has a compression ratio of 11.8:1.[47] The 2UR-GSE is derived from the Lexus UR-series V8 engines, which debuted as the 1UR-FSE on the 2007 Lexus LS 460. Of the UR-series V8s, the 2UR-GSE is most closely related to the 2UR-FSE used in the 2008 LS 600h. It features the same bore and stroke dimensions (3.70 in x 3.52).[47] However, extensive modifications carried out by the IS F engineering team in conjunction with Yamaha's Formula One (F1) engine program resulted in a cast-aluminum intake manifold, new cylinder heads, and titanium intake valves.[47] Additionally the engine features a forged crankshaft, connecting rods and cam lobes. At maximum acceleration above 3400 rpm, the secondary intake opens.[48] Compared with the LS 600h's 2UR-FSE (measured alone without its hybrid-electric motors), the IS F 2UR-GSE has more horsepower and torque at higher rpm, and 17 lb·ft less peak torque (see also Lexus IS F performance specifications).[47]

The Lexus IS F features an 8-speed Sport Direct Shift (SPDS) automatic transmission with sequential shift which can lock-up the torque converter from 2nd through 8th gears (see also: Lexus IS transmission specifications). The SPDS is derived from the unit introduced in the 2007 Lexus LS, which was the first vehicle to carry an 8-speed transmission.[49] The SPDS allows for shifts to occur in 0.1 s (100 ms),[50] compared to 0.05 s (50 ms) of F1 race cars.[51] The wheel-mounted paddle shifters allow for gear shifting while steering, and a manual mode can be selected for added control. The 8-speed transmission also improves fuel economy,[52] with lower overall consumption than BMW, Mercedes, and Audi rivals,[50][52] and avoidance of the U.S. Gas Guzzler Tax.[53]