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The V8 is back: IS 500 F SPORT Performance

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Old 02-22-21, 07:35 AM
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Default The V8 is back: IS 500 F SPORT Performance

https://www.lexus.com/IS500/

So are they watering down the F-Sport name, or trying to class it up? Why not just call it the IS F again?

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02-24-21, 09:37 AM
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So here's a little backstory I never really shared here. I was part of the early discussion on IS F before it debuted in Detroit back in 2007, I was involved in the study team meeting with Chief Engineer Yaguchi and a select group of enthusiasts I invited, @Joe Z was one of them. A few years back, I was involved in the study team discussions for what we now know as the IS 500 F SPORT Performance. The first concern of mine was not being labeled an IS F. Also the confusion of what the F and F SPORT branding.

The IS 500 F SPORT Performance compared to the previous IS F, the core elements are there. Compact RWD sedan with a V8, performance wheels/tires/brakes, great handling. The IS 500 F SPORT Performance in my opinion is the IS F successor. The reason I came with that conclusion after numerous meetings with the product planning and marketing teams over the years, this is an effort to continue a true V8 compact sport sedan without braking the bank. If you look at it, most people that have owned IS F have changed out the brake pads and rotors (because they think the OEM Lexus/Brembo replacement parts are too expensive), changed the wheels, the suspension, for some the driver's seat for something more supportive and aggressive. I don't look at this new car as a bad thing. I actually think it's great because it is a clean slate for someone ready to customize it their way, and not have expensive branded parts that will be deemed useless once they change it out.

What the 2022 IS 500 F SPORT Performance doesn't have compared to IS F:
  • No Brembo Brakes
  • No BBS Wheels
  • No F side skirt/vents
  • No F badging
  • No F front seats (heated only)

What the 2022 IS 500 F SPORT Performance has that the previous IS F doesn't:
  • 5-mode Drive Mode Select (Normal, SPORT and SNOW ECT modes for IS F)
  • Adaptive Variable Suspension (One way, non adjustable Tokico shocks for IS F)
  • Lexus Safety System + 2.5 (Radar Cruise was the only safety option for the IS F)

The IS 500 F SPORT Performance still carries the original Lexus Musts for IS F:
  • Must Be Balanced
  • Must Be Authentic
  • Must Haul ***
As a matter of fact, with the new Lexus Driving Signature, the IS 500 F SPORT Performance will have a better, more controlled and balanced ride than the previous all thanks to AVS and technological advancements with the suspension and shock valving. After driving the IS 350 F SPORT Dynamic Handling Package, I really feel the IS 500 F SPORT Performance will be a good balance of comfort and performance. Think BMW Alpina B3 to an M3. I'm really considering to trade in my 2020 RC F for this.


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Looking through the press release, I do see why it may not justify being called an IS F. No Brembo brakes. no BBS wheels, no TVD.

Still, it's nice to see the V8 making it's way back into the IS.

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Lexus appears to not only have confused everyone, but themselves as well.
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Lexus is becoming really confusing.

I think the "F" brand is going away and will maybe be used for the next halo car (LFA Type)

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Ah I see it now, they are rebranding the "F" line to "F SPORT".

the 2022 IS 500 F SPORT Performance marks the debut of the Lexus F SPORT Performance line.
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Did anyone see what transmission they are going to use? I'm assuming the same 8spd fro the RC-F and GS-F
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lange
Still, it's nice to see the V8 making it's way back into the IS.
+1 So glad to hear that V8 roar in the live-stream video. Wonderful.
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Maybe this means the "F" will only be used for the more high end models such as the LC-F and LS-F? Who knows. I am excited they are putting the V-8 back in the IS.

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Originally Posted by MisterSkiz
Did anyone see what transmission they are going to use? I'm assuming the same 8spd fro the RC-F and GS-F

Same as the one in the 21 IS350 lol
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Sweet Lexus sparing my 08 ISF from FOMO. Thanks Lexus.
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Originally Posted by 1A1
Maybe this means the "F" will only be used for the more high end models such as the LC-F and LS-F? Who knows. I am excited they are putting the V-8 back in the IS.

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From the press release it seems they are trying to jam another level in between F-Sport and F, so there's F-Sport accessories, F-Sport factory models, F-Sport Performance models, and then F models.

From the IS500 it does seem like the F-Sport Performance models are really giving people what they want as far as actual performance improvements on F-Sport models, while leaving F models with even more performance I suppose. We'll have to see what future F models hold I suppose. Hopefully it means pushing F models higher as well.

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OK - So let's see Back in 2008 Lexus introduced the first "F" car - An IS series vehicle with a 5 liter engine and called it the ISF. That car was produced until 2014. In 2015 Lexus announced the second "F" car the RCF next came the GSF. Both contained the same updated and now more powerful engine introduced in the original ISF. They then used basically the same engine in the LC500 introduced in 2018 - No "F" or F-Sport designation. So now we have an IS500, an F-Sport, not a real "F" car, that shares it's engine with the RCF and the LC500. Not to mention the LS500, same designation, but, wait a minute it has a 3.5 liter blown V6 The IS300 has a 2 liter blown straight 4, and the IS300 AWD has a 3.5 liter NA V6 Does any of this make any sense

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lange
Looking through the press release, I do see why it may not justify being called an IS F. No Brembo brakes. no BBS wheels, no TVD.

Still, it's nice to see the V8 making it's way back into the IS.

Jeff
The RCF doesn't have TVD as standard. The RC500 comes with a Torsen, which is more than the original ISF had. And far as the brakes the fronts appear to be multi-fixed piston units:





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