Is There Really an LC F Coming?
#16
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I don't know... Do you really think Lexus customers even know what the DCT and CCB acronyms even mean? From all the reviews I've watched and read, it seems that most people are fixated on 0-60 times, and that criteria being the biggest complaint about the LC, given its price. One of the videos I posted somewhere on this forum indicates that torque vectoring is something Lexus has in its back-pocket for a potential F model. Anyway, I love the muscle-car V8 growl, and I'd be reluctant to give that up just for faster acceleration. It's certainly fast enough for me to lose my license! That Tesla Roadster is insanely fast, but if it sounds anything like the Model X then it's gonna need synthesized exhaust notes for sure. The Model X sounds like a blender (IMO). Anyway, I don't mean to hate on Tesla - to each his own. I lean toward quality and reliability before everything else.
#17
#18
Personally, I think the engineers could just tweak the 10 speed and diff a bit to drop the 0-60 times on the LC500 to satisfy a lot of those whining about acceleration. no need for turbos / LC-F. Or just offer a shorter final drive ratio on the sport package, so you have a choice when buying.
#19
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yea steels weigh more, but throwing $1000s upon $1000 to be a few tenths faster doesnt make sense for the weekend track warrior that arent competing.
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...ut-on-my-acr-e
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 12-15-17 at 07:39 AM.
#21
Liquid Bra Champion
some german make are moving away from DCT (weight, cost, and complexity) and CCB brakes are highly overrated except for bleeding edge motorsports and have annoying trade offs under practical use. Tons of ACR owners on the forum swap over to good 2 piece steel rotors over the carbon brakes because of the ridiculous cost of rotors and pads.
yea steels weigh more, but throwing $1000s upon $1000 to be a few tenths faster doesnt make sense for the weekend track warrior that arent competing.
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...ut-on-my-acr-e
yea steels weigh more, but throwing $1000s upon $1000 to be a few tenths faster doesnt make sense for the weekend track warrior that arent competing.
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...ut-on-my-acr-e
Your argument against DCT isn specious. Spending $180k+, cost is NOT an issue. Nor is weight, as DCT weigh much less than automatics. DCT is THE only way to go.
#22
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#23
Lexus Fanatic
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true, people on a nugget do swap rotors for tracking. But face it, no one will be using LC F for a track car. And no one wants the brake dust, which will likely be even worse than current LC with 620hp. So yes, I stand, it better have CCB.
Your argument against DCT isn specious. Spending $180k+, cost is NOT an issue. Nor is weight, as DCT weigh much less than automatics. DCT is THE only way to go.
Your argument against DCT isn specious. Spending $180k+, cost is NOT an issue. Nor is weight, as DCT weigh much less than automatics. DCT is THE only way to go.
DCTs have to be serviced more frequently requiring some expensive secret sauce fluid. They have low speed smoothness issues. Look what happened to VW and Acura on their DCTs. There is a reason why a torque converter is used for 1st and 2nd for acuras DCT to achieve the smoothness. DCT are more complex and would be less reliable than an automatic. All of this so it can be X milliseconds faster shifting which is unnoticeable during normal driving, only good for bleeding edge performance like CCBs. 911 GT3 owners pestered Porsche to the point where they came back with a manual GT3, they didnt care it was slower. CCB and DCTs are just more boring numbers chasing for manufacturers and paper racers and a waste if youre not tracking the car hard. A fast shifting automatic is good enough for 99% of the drivers out there. Hence why many manufacturers are moving away from DCTs.
Reducing brake dust is a not a good reason for choosing CCBs on a car.
#24
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Not going to be a 180k car. An F car costing double the regular model of which already has a high starting price?
DCTs have to be serviced more frequently requiring some expensive secret sauce fluid. They have low speed smoothness issues. Look what happened to VW and Acura on their DCTs. There is a reason why a torque converter is used for 1st and 2nd for acuras DCT to achieve the smoothness. DCT are more complex and would be less reliable than an automatic. All of this so it can be X milliseconds faster shifting which is unnoticeable during normal driving, only good for bleeding edge performance like CCBs. 911 GT3 owners pestered Porsche to the point where they came back with a manual GT3, they didnt care it was slower. CCB and DCTs are just more boring numbers chasing for manufacturers and paper racers and a waste if youre not tracking the car hard. A fast shifting automatic is good enough for 99% of the drivers out there. Hence why many manufacturers are moving away from DCTs.
Reducing brake dust is a not a good reason for choosing CCBs on a car.
DCTs have to be serviced more frequently requiring some expensive secret sauce fluid. They have low speed smoothness issues. Look what happened to VW and Acura on their DCTs. There is a reason why a torque converter is used for 1st and 2nd for acuras DCT to achieve the smoothness. DCT are more complex and would be less reliable than an automatic. All of this so it can be X milliseconds faster shifting which is unnoticeable during normal driving, only good for bleeding edge performance like CCBs. 911 GT3 owners pestered Porsche to the point where they came back with a manual GT3, they didnt care it was slower. CCB and DCTs are just more boring numbers chasing for manufacturers and paper racers and a waste if youre not tracking the car hard. A fast shifting automatic is good enough for 99% of the drivers out there. Hence why many manufacturers are moving away from DCTs.
Reducing brake dust is a not a good reason for choosing CCBs on a car.
Reduced brake dust is just ONE excellent reason to choose CCBs,
among others.
I guess we’ll agree to disagree. And you can remain in the 20th century with steelies and slushbox.
#25
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There are no LC-F models slated for testing or even production at this time and has been confirmed by Lexus executives as well as executives of the parent company Toyota Motor Corporation. Despite a fabricated story published in a Japanese newsletter sometime last year that has spread online, Lexus has in fact denied any rumors for an LC-F to be produced at this time or in the near future. It makes perfect sense to anyone who is in the financial world as well if you think about it. The LC500 hasn't even been out for 9 months and releasing a new model before the company has had time to recoup their investments from the LC500 and LC500h would be financial suicide. Sales for both LC500 and LC500h are nowhere even close to projected sales at this time. Again, an LC-F model is wishful thinking. Possibly in four years we may see something of the sorts but for now we have the LC500.
Not sure why so many keep complaining about the LC500's performance when it's not what the car was designed for. It's not a GT-R, a 911, Huracan, 488GTB etc. etc.. It's a luxury GT coupe engineered with a different mind set than being slung around on a track or contesting any exotic or muscle car at a stop light coming home. DCT or dual clutch transmissions are not bullet proof either LOL. Whether it's from VW/Audi, Porsche, Ferrari or even Nissan they do have their issues as well and are much more expensive to service than an automatic with a TC. These people claiming they have had no issues with their DCT haven't really put any miles on them yet so how would they know? Get one of those DCT in the 25-50K mile range on the clock and you'll see what I'm referring to. I had two slightly modded GT-R's and the gremlins are real.
Not sure why so many keep complaining about the LC500's performance when it's not what the car was designed for. It's not a GT-R, a 911, Huracan, 488GTB etc. etc.. It's a luxury GT coupe engineered with a different mind set than being slung around on a track or contesting any exotic or muscle car at a stop light coming home. DCT or dual clutch transmissions are not bullet proof either LOL. Whether it's from VW/Audi, Porsche, Ferrari or even Nissan they do have their issues as well and are much more expensive to service than an automatic with a TC. These people claiming they have had no issues with their DCT haven't really put any miles on them yet so how would they know? Get one of those DCT in the 25-50K mile range on the clock and you'll see what I'm referring to. I had two slightly modded GT-R's and the gremlins are real.
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#26
Z^^, I personally disagree that an LCF isn't coming. Lexus would NOT trademark the LCF nameplate just for *****s and giggles. My guess is it'll be announced this fall, and released fall '19 as as 2020 model.....so theoretically, still 2 years out.
Only time will tell. Lexus is always tight lipped about all the exciting, new projects....and big turbo power is something that's definitely new to those guys. They won't release it without LOADS of positive test results.
I can assure you one thing though, Lexus WILL NOT keep the LC500 as their largest (hp wise) model for much longer.
V.
Only time will tell. Lexus is always tight lipped about all the exciting, new projects....and big turbo power is something that's definitely new to those guys. They won't release it without LOADS of positive test results.
I can assure you one thing though, Lexus WILL NOT keep the LC500 as their largest (hp wise) model for much longer.
V.
#27
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Z^^, I personally disagree that an LCF isn't coming. Lexus would NOT trademark the LCF nameplate just for *****s and giggles. My guess is it'll be announced this fall, and released fall '19 as as 2020 model.....so theoretically, still 2 years out.
Only time will tell. Lexus is always tight lipped about all the exciting, new projects....and big turbo power is something that's definitely new to those guys. They won't release it without LOADS of positive test results.
I can assure you one thing though, Lexus WILL NOT keep the LC500 as their largest (hp wise) model for much longer.
V.
Only time will tell. Lexus is always tight lipped about all the exciting, new projects....and big turbo power is something that's definitely new to those guys. They won't release it without LOADS of positive test results.
I can assure you one thing though, Lexus WILL NOT keep the LC500 as their largest (hp wise) model for much longer.
V.
#28
"for short periods of time" isn't in Toyota or Lexus' vocabulary. And again, they have never had a high horsepower turbo or supercharged engine FROM THE FACTORY before....so again, they will remain tight lipped until they KNOW it'll work. That's just Lexus as a brand for ya. Not gunna lose reliability for loads of hp.
Also, please give an example of a company trademarking a logo/name and not using it....
Whether you're right or wrong Z, I at least hope you're wrong 😋!
V.
Also, please give an example of a company trademarking a logo/name and not using it....
Whether you're right or wrong Z, I at least hope you're wrong 😋!
V.
#29
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"for short periods of time" isn't in Toyota or Lexus' vocabulary. And again, they have never had a high horsepower turbo or supercharged engine FROM THE FACTORY before....so again, they will remain tight lipped until they KNOW it'll work. That's just Lexus as a brand for ya. Not gunna lose reliability for loads of hp.
Also, please give an example of a company trademarking a logo/name and not using it....
Whether you're right or wrong Z, I at least hope you're wrong !
V.
Also, please give an example of a company trademarking a logo/name and not using it....
Whether you're right or wrong Z, I at least hope you're wrong !
V.
Last edited by Zeitaku; 02-04-18 at 11:13 PM.
#30
Seems that the LC F may be a possibility for 2022....