Programming the Pioneer Audio DSP in NAV GS400 NAV Cars
05-19-06, 01:44 AM
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Word to Big Bird!!
I did the recomendations and WOW!! I won't have to spend money on buying awhole bunch of new equipment, maybe a new sub after I blow the factory one.
But, I spent about 4 hrs trying diff setups. This is what I got:
F = Front Volume with 0 being the highest
R= Rear with 0 blah blah blah
W=Woofer with you know.
Now the p1, p2, and L are diff. They adjust the frequency.
p1 = Bass frequency
p2 = Midrange to treble frequency
L = Level as posted in the first post.
Recomendations:
If you want audiophile type quality, leave it alone. Lexus paid pretty good money to have Pioneer adjust the radio to its premium quality, which gives a nice, smooth, natural sound (or as best as it can).
If you find the bass lacking, change the P1 to 2 - 5. I find 2 being pretty good. If you like bass, go with 3. If you go to 4 or 5, its entirely too much and overpowers the rest of the system. Remember once you adjust it, make sure you lower the bass volume on the regular setup. This compensates the bass in voice with the bass of drums or strings. Mine is set at: P1=3 and Bass level is at 3 or 4, depending on cd.
P2 is fine and should be left alone, at 0. But, If you want your mid's and high's to sound crisp, try changing it between 95 - 115. When you do this, you'll notice a difference, but your ears become fatigued real quick. After an hour of listening to a woman's pitch and brass instruments, you'll notice that you'll find yourself turning your radio off. If you wanna impress your friends and listen to rap, rock, or anything real loud - this setting is good for you. But, after a while - you'll change it. And, finding the best frequency and volume for midranges and highs are time consuming. Its one of the hardest things to adjust so the result will be warm and natural. Mine is set at: P2=0 and Mid level is at 4.
L, i left it alone and didn't play with it. Maybe i'll do it tomorrow to test and see if its truly a level for overall sound.
My setup is:
Bass - 4, P1 - 3
Mid - 4, P2 - 0
Treble - 6 or 7 (depending on music)
Now the F, R, W settings are just for volume. Its different then the fade option on the regular menu. Its tricky to explain, but its different. The most obvious option is that you can, theoretically adust the volume for the woofer (or adjust everything else so the woofer is louder). The ideal setup is to have your fronts louder than the back to provide an accurate soundstage. But, I find most people (including myself) want to hear the music balanced between the front and rear. I listen for soundstage and accuracy with home equipment and not mobile. You should adjust the fade level to hear every speaker at the same volume from where your head is positioned when driving. Since I'm tall (6'4"), my head at the driving position is a little behind the side pillar of the door (on a 2nd gen GS3), so I don't need much fade to the rear as some others might. With account for the volume of the sub, I have my set up as: F - 5, R - 4, W - 0. I changed it from F-7, R-7, W-0 because I found the woofer again overpowering. Ideally, you shouldn't be able to tell where the bass is coming from - it should blend well with the rest of the system. After all of the adjustments, I find this one provides a good sound for me, esp for the price (freeeeeeeeeeeeee
).
Music I tested it out with: some Joss Stone, Diana Krall, Will Downing, Alicia Keys (Unplugged), Floetry, George Michael, Lil Wayne, Slim Thug, and T.I. I know, I have an interesting selection. I'm from New Orleans - all my audiophile music got washed away! I hope this helps out.
But, I spent about 4 hrs trying diff setups. This is what I got:
F = Front Volume with 0 being the highest
R= Rear with 0 blah blah blah
W=Woofer with you know.
Now the p1, p2, and L are diff. They adjust the frequency.
p1 = Bass frequency
p2 = Midrange to treble frequency
L = Level as posted in the first post.
Recomendations:
If you want audiophile type quality, leave it alone. Lexus paid pretty good money to have Pioneer adjust the radio to its premium quality, which gives a nice, smooth, natural sound (or as best as it can).
If you find the bass lacking, change the P1 to 2 - 5. I find 2 being pretty good. If you like bass, go with 3. If you go to 4 or 5, its entirely too much and overpowers the rest of the system. Remember once you adjust it, make sure you lower the bass volume on the regular setup. This compensates the bass in voice with the bass of drums or strings. Mine is set at: P1=3 and Bass level is at 3 or 4, depending on cd.
P2 is fine and should be left alone, at 0. But, If you want your mid's and high's to sound crisp, try changing it between 95 - 115. When you do this, you'll notice a difference, but your ears become fatigued real quick. After an hour of listening to a woman's pitch and brass instruments, you'll notice that you'll find yourself turning your radio off. If you wanna impress your friends and listen to rap, rock, or anything real loud - this setting is good for you. But, after a while - you'll change it. And, finding the best frequency and volume for midranges and highs are time consuming. Its one of the hardest things to adjust so the result will be warm and natural. Mine is set at: P2=0 and Mid level is at 4.
L, i left it alone and didn't play with it. Maybe i'll do it tomorrow to test and see if its truly a level for overall sound.
My setup is:
Bass - 4, P1 - 3
Mid - 4, P2 - 0
Treble - 6 or 7 (depending on music)
Now the F, R, W settings are just for volume. Its different then the fade option on the regular menu. Its tricky to explain, but its different. The most obvious option is that you can, theoretically adust the volume for the woofer (or adjust everything else so the woofer is louder). The ideal setup is to have your fronts louder than the back to provide an accurate soundstage. But, I find most people (including myself) want to hear the music balanced between the front and rear. I listen for soundstage and accuracy with home equipment and not mobile. You should adjust the fade level to hear every speaker at the same volume from where your head is positioned when driving. Since I'm tall (6'4"), my head at the driving position is a little behind the side pillar of the door (on a 2nd gen GS3), so I don't need much fade to the rear as some others might. With account for the volume of the sub, I have my set up as: F - 5, R - 4, W - 0. I changed it from F-7, R-7, W-0 because I found the woofer again overpowering. Ideally, you shouldn't be able to tell where the bass is coming from - it should blend well with the rest of the system. After all of the adjustments, I find this one provides a good sound for me, esp for the price (freeeeeeeeeeeeee
). Music I tested it out with: some Joss Stone, Diana Krall, Will Downing, Alicia Keys (Unplugged), Floetry, George Michael, Lil Wayne, Slim Thug, and T.I. I know, I have an interesting selection. I'm from New Orleans - all my audiophile music got washed away! I hope this helps out.
08-13-06, 04:51 PM
#19
Pole Position
Yep i did it!!!.....excellent mod. and i dont need to upgrade the speakers. Does anyone have any other settings?
CEO
CEO
10-04-06, 05:41 PM
#21
Pole Position
10-04-06, 06:58 PM
#22
I read this thread again and the only references I see are GSs with NAV or nov-NAV with Pioneer. My 99 GS doesn't have an Auto level or ASL key. Am I missing something? If it's for the NAK system, why doesn't it work?
What mode does the HU have to be in when you start the hacking process?
What mode does the HU have to be in when you start the hacking process?
10-10-06, 08:05 PM
#23
Pole Position
Hey im sorry man...i must have been tired when i posted that. I was looking at NAK when i meant to put NAV.
CEO
CEO
06-02-08, 03:30 PM
#26
BUMP. 01 gs300 stock non-nav....got to the p190 screen, had p190 CHEC, p360 OLD, p440 GOOD. Seems as though i found how to reset the codes...go to the one that doesn't say good...press 2, seek buttons until you find codes, hold 2 and it should say CLR with a long loud beep....still cant get to the audio settings though.
ASL and RDS were both on, held 1 and 6 pressed disc 3 times, held AM, no result.
ASL and RDS were both on, held 1 and 6 pressed disc 3 times, held AM, no result.
08-13-08, 07:08 AM
#28
Pole Position
08-01-09, 11:16 AM
#30
Moderator - Electronics Forum
There was a similar link for the non nav systems. It's been around for quite a while, at least 3 years.
Try it with aftermarket speakers. The stock ones are still junky. ML stock ones are junky too, despite all the hype.
Try it with aftermarket speakers. The stock ones are still junky. ML stock ones are junky too, despite all the hype.